Braindrool 10 Posted July 26, 2011 I think I should clear this up before I go further that I'm not complaining and I love the Community Preview so far, but my question (part suggestion?) is about the startup sequence. Could someone tell me if TKOH is going for the realism? Or more of a user friendly game. I admit the startup is more than most games would have, but will it be even more realistic? E.g. Hot / Cold starts, having to monitor the amps on battery start, etc? I love the game so far and have been playing the preview every day (It's addicting, isn't it?) and the flight dynamics seem great, but I think it just lacks a bit on starting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nightsta1ker 10 Posted July 26, 2011 I personally would love to see more of this implemented. It was addressed at the very beginning. I am not sure if it will be more advanced in the final version, but don't be surprised if what you see is what you get. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Braindrool 10 Posted July 26, 2011 I agree about wanting to see this ingame. Hope the Devs consider it carefully :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Randomator 10 Posted July 27, 2011 I really would love having realism in the entire thing, especially the startup sequence. Maybe kind of like the helicopter mods in FSX, they're realistic and personally I think that makes it much more entertaining. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Braindrool 10 Posted July 27, 2011 I've never played FSX, but I saw hovercontrol has some nice mods for it. And I watched some videos of the start up. Looks very impressive. And for the people viewing this thread feel free to post, I want to see your opinions too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmut Duregger 10 Posted July 29, 2011 I never had problems with the manual startup sequence in DCS: Black Shark but I fear such a detailed simulation would require too many resources and therefore BI might not want to do that. As with other points of concern I hope BI includes a means for modders to implement it themselves. For instance, I am also not happy with the low detail of the Seattle map from what we could see so far. In relation to Arma2 maps (which are smaller but that is fine) nap of the earth flying might be as bad as in other sims (DCS, X-Plane 9), from a visual standpoint. In short, I think they should focus on getting the flight dynamics spot on, after that they should provide an API to the modders so that we can add any instruments, helicopters and maps we like. The graphics is where the engine currently really shines, we only need a decent flight model and rope physics to get some SAR missions on. The render to texture, we already get. Huge maps is something that other sims already provide but for helicopter flying repeating landscapes or rough textures are no fun for me. This is where they can score. Just a small artificial map with a hospital, an area covered by sea, a mountainous area, maybe a dam, but I got carried away... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Braindrool 10 Posted July 29, 2011 Well it still is in beta, but how I see it is that it's a helicopter simulator, emphasis on simulator. I think realism should be key, and yes I think flight dynamics are a big part of it. And I'm impressed with the mapping, it's about 1/2 detail of Arma 2 graphics, but that is still quite a bit more than FSX and not sure about DCS / X-plane. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlGustaffa 4 Posted July 29, 2011 As with other points of concern I hope BI includes a means for modders to implement it themselves. Unless they make it possible to place switches and graphics on the 3D panel, we (not me, but those who know) would need full access to the model files themselves to model in these switches. For instance, I am also not happy with the low detail of the Seattle map from what we could see so far. In relation to Arma2 maps (which are smaller but that is fine) nap of the earth flying might be as bad as in other sims (DCS, X-Plane 9), from a visual standpoint. How is the map resolution too coarse for nap flying? Iirc it's still half resolution of OA. And why would you do nap flying in a civilian chopper sim? I live close to an airport, and I've never seen any nap flying going on. It's not risk free, and risk and civil aviation don't blend. In short, I think they should focus on getting the flight dynamics spot on, after that they should provide an API to the modders so that we can add any instruments, helicopters and maps we like. The graphics is where the engine currently really shines, we only need a decent flight model and rope physics to get some SAR missions on. The render to texture, we already get. Huge maps is something that other sims already provide but for helicopter flying repeating landscapes or rough textures are no fun for me. This is where they can score. Just a small artificial map with a hospital, an area covered by sea, a mountainous area, maybe a dam, but I got carried away... I agree. Like the Seattle map? ;) I guess the south east asia map will be less occupied with man made stuff, but provide a much larger map, probably more suitable for longer endurance runs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Braindrool 10 Posted July 29, 2011 I noticed something today with the 5th community preview update, they added APU shortcut to the controls layout, but the light helicopter in preview can only access battery. Perhaps we'll be able to use either in the full game? :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlGustaffa 4 Posted July 29, 2011 Does it have an APU? The data/commands was always there, but I couldn't get it to do something. There is a ton of really promising commands that I guess will only be applicable in the larger helicopter classes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Braindrool 10 Posted July 29, 2011 I don't think APU is even in the light helicopter's cockpit (looking at the switches). You're probably right about larger helicopters. By the way if you listen to some of the interviews they've done they've given information about the helicopters that the site doesn't have. First of all they had benches on the side of the light helicopter (probably a customization option). But I think they said each weight class had 3 helicopters and 1 military helicopter (total or just for the class I don't know) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Helmut Duregger 10 Posted July 30, 2011 CarlGustaffa How is the map resolution too coarse for nap flying? Iirc it's still half resolution of OA. And why would you do nap flying in a civilian chopper sim? I live close to an airport, and I've never seen any nap flying going on. It's not risk free, and risk and civil aviation don't blend. I continued the discussion in the other thread http://forums.bistudio.com/showpost.php?p=1993561&postcount=33 as that might be more appropriate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Braindrool 10 Posted July 30, 2011 (edited) Well in the E3 2011 trailer they did some low level flying, could be cinematic, maybe not, but it still happened :) JxLOCHrvoQI p.s. Thanks zipper for fixing video Edited August 4, 2011 by Braindrool Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pyrohmstr 10 Posted August 3, 2011 I would like it if they had the option to autostart as it is now, and the option to go at it step by step in a realistic format. There are times when I just want to fly drunk and not try to remember how to start up my engines :p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Braindrool 10 Posted August 3, 2011 I think autostart should be like autotrim. Only available in lower difficulties. And it's not hard to start a helicopter on here, even if you are drunk xD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarlGustaffa 4 Posted August 4, 2011 I agree on the autostart only on cadet levels (recruit & regular). For regular on the finished sim, even autotrim should be available as an action option rather than enforced. Currently I have no way of getting realistic flight without autotrim, and at the same time be able to test the hud instruments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Braindrool 10 Posted August 4, 2011 Well you could get rudder pedals or a joystick with rudder control like the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Sounds expensive but it's only $30. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
