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.... and thus the life-cycle of this thread is complete ;)

Hi DMarkwick

If you care to come up with an alternate powerful analogy for being a puppet master and saying my hands are clean, then please do and I will substitute.

I am sorry but the old, it only takes n before some one mentions Hitler in a thread, is now more defunct than saying it.

Kind Regards walker

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Hi DMarkwick

If you care to come up with an alternate powerful analogy for being a puppet master and saying my hands are clean, then please do and I will substitute.

Don't take offence, it was only an amusement :)

I am sorry but the old, it only takes n before some one mentions Hitler in a thread, is now more defunct than saying it.

I don't believe it is :)

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@BAFF

Your reply at the top of the page does.

That is why I took you up on it.

I see nothing in that post that speaks directly of me not liking him "becuase of his wealth" ...
Me. I don't discriminate right from wrong, by the wealth of the victim or the perpetrator. I have no respect for anyone who does.
Neither do I ... :confused:

Your so blinded by the "wealth" issue that your accusing people of things that haven't been said, I dont give 2 shits of his wealth, Im talking about his position in the business side of things, get over the wealth "thing" ... you keep on about it I dont.

And I I said before its not over "yet" ... more to come from this. If hes a scape goat to hind behind then whats the shock they are all playing the game, you mention the queen & Cameron ... they should all be done for treason as well, or was that a bad thing to say because im jealous of their wealth?

I see what your saying Baff about pinning it to him when people at the bottom are seemingly getting away with it, but, its early days its still and open investigation running at the moment. Funny part is you normally have all the lower lemmings getting stung as the scape goat and the high ups using that to distance themselves, so its either that or in his circles they want him to take a fall, either way that's the business he is in.

Im more interested in to see what comes of it later on once the dust settles, then we can see what becomes of the show. Will it be a setting so that all media and investigative journalists have the clamp down (and I mean clampdown on REAL news & whistle blowing) we shall see. Maybe this is all a setup and massive reaction to make it look like Murdoc is the badman to be used to justify new laws and such for the press and things later on, and he walks away smiling knowing this all along, time will tell. Bear in mind all this info is still coming through the same media outlets that are pointing fingers and are no so impartial themselves.

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Hi all

Brooks is to appear before the Commons media commitee. The Two Murdochs declined the invitation and so have been summonsed to appear, for those of you more familiar with US legalaties it is the equivalent of being called to testify before a congressional commitee.

...in a statement, the MPs said: "The committee has made clear its view that all three should appear to account for the behaviour of News International and for previous statements made to the committee in Parliament, now acknowledged to be false.

"Accordingly, the committee has this morning decided to summon Rupert Murdoch and James Murdoch to appear before the Select Committee in Parliament at 2.30pm on Tuesday July 19 2011."

Mr Whittingdale said the Deputy Serjeant at Arms of the House of Commons would now deliver the summons to the Murdochs in person...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14148658

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If they fail to appear after the summons they will be absent chaired

...if the Murdochs declined to attend the hearing, the matter would then be reported to the House of Commons which could decide the Murdochs were in contempt of Parliament...
ibid

and their status as proper and fit persons, including any foreign holding company by which they perform such a role, to be on the board of any UK media, eg Sky or News International as it runs websites, can then be raised, enabling them or indeed the holding company by which they perform the role to be suspended, until such time as they appear.

Kind Regards walker

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Hi all

***Late breaking News***

The Murdochs may now be facing police warrants to compel them to testify under oath.

...John Whittingdale, chair of Parliament's Culture, Media and Sport committee, said he wanted to question James Murdoch about an earlier statement that Murdoch employees had lied under earlier questioning.

"He has stated that Parliament has been misled by people in his employ," Whittingdale said.

Committee member Paul Farrelly was more blunt: "James Murdoch has got a lot to amplify."

If the Murdochs do not attend next week's session, the committee can initiate proceedings to issue warrants compelling their testimony. The police can be used to serve the warrants...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/07/14/2011-07-14_rupert_murdoch_and_son_james_could_face_warrants_for_refusing_to_appear_at_parli.html

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Seems the net is tightening on these two. If a conservative government minister feels they need to go this far, then evidence the police are getting from any already arrested accomplices or from documents they have uncovered must be very meaty indeed!

Surprised Walker

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Latest revelation is like some thing out of a spy novel.

Murdoch's companies were using peoples phones to track them down!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14141809

All Murdoch needs now is A White Persian Cat!

Shakes head Walker

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@BAFF

I see nothing in that post that speaks directly of me not liking him "because of his wealth" ...

You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about wealth in my opinion.

You justified an attack on Murdochs wealth by dismissing him as someone who had plenty of it. I can't see why you would need to be any more direct than this.

Robbing a poor person bad, robbing a rich person OK.

Comically, you think the reason I don't feel the same as you is more likely because I must be wealthy, than because I just don't approve of robbery/destruction of property.

You are not the only one here who vilifies rich people. It's hardly uncommon.

You don't agree that you do, point noted.

You think that you don't discriminate against Cameron and the Queen because they are rich, that this is merely a co-incidence?

I have to tell you that until you mentioned their wealth I hadn't been thinking of them in these terms. It's irrelevant to me and an issue of note for you.

There are plenty of people who despise Cameron and the Queen for their wealth. Plenty of people who despise their public school educations or are unable to empathise with them due to barriers between them that they feel are created by a financial divide.

There are any number of people out there who despise Murdoch for his wealth. For whom his money is a black mark to be held against him, not a credit to his favour.

I agree that all Murdochs peers want him to take a fall. Not his business associates obviously, whom all seem to like him and have greatly profited from his talents, but his poltical chums have all been pretty quick to turn on him and has media rivals obviously all want him out of the way.

Like you I certainly expect some kind of media over legislation to be an end result of all this.

I think I'm going to go back and have another look at what happened to Conrad Black. He is another example of a Media Baron brought down by his enemies. It's pretty much par for the course in that trade as far as I can see. I remember how badly everyone wanted to get Robert Maxwell at the time also. Lord Beaverbrook is another example.

Whether or not Murdoch falls right now, is still unclear to me, how he will eventually fall if he doesn't fall now, will be something similar to this. That was always going to be his fate.

I don't take it very seriously, I just wish more of the news services would feature other stories that I actually give a hoot about.

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Who do I blame most in all this? The people who buy newspapers in the first place.....

If the great British Public did not have a great appetite for nonsense and also had the brains to realise most of it is just nonsense, we would not be in this mess.

If not for the support of the public the press would not have this power, politicians would be concentrating on getting on with real work rather than this pantomime and their petty vendettas and the police would do something about the organised crime that pervades every corner of the nation instead of spending all their time out having lunches with the press. The public worship the cult of celebrity, inhale every item of gossip and believe the first thing they hear, always. It's a very shallow country. (I live there BTW, Great Britain, small minded nation inc. lol)

What we have here is greasy press, greasy politicians and greasy career police officers involved in a very public falling out. All of them seem to be former friends and associates who have previously socialised a great deal and have even visited each others houses.

I have not bought a tabloid in 20 years, and have not bought any newspapers for the last 10 years, can any of you say that?

(I urge you to see the big picture in all this and do what hurts all of them most - ignore them lol.)

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PELHAM things like this do not just appear out of thin air.

They happen because some one adopts it as a business strategy.

In this case a business strategy of using the blackmail power of the press to leverage political power for monetary benefit, and in the process acruing more and more power until its caustic nature corrupts those who have this power and those they influence.

In Russia it is a very common method, they even have a name for it there but the method is appearing across the world.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

That is why we have elections, term limits and laws to limit power, the seperation of powers, and why there is a Fit and Proper Persons measure in being able to remove those in power in the media.

LATE BREAKING NEWS!

In a sign of the swift downward spiral that News Corp is now following at the third time of asking Rebekah Brooks, chief executive of News International, has resigned.

Phone hacking: News International chief Brooks quits

Media analyst Steve Hewlett: 'News International appears to be on the run'

Rebekah Brooks, chief executive of News International, has resigned, the company has confirmed.

Her departure follows days of increasing pressure to step down as the phone hacking crisis grew.

In a statement, she said she felt a "deep responsibility for the people we have hurt".

News Corporation is to take out national press adverts this weekend to apologise for what it described as "the wrongdoings at the News of the World"...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14166162

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Kind Regards walker

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BAFF ...

Im not entirely sure me and you are having the same conversation im am utterly confused with your replies to my posts, its as if we are having 2 different conversations and one I dont realise I have had ...

You seem to have a real bee in your bonnet about wealth in my opinion.

You justified an attack on Murdochs wealth by dismissing him as someone who had plenty of it. I can't see why you would need to be any more direct than this.

I hate to say this mate, but again ... YOU go back to "wealth" ... I dont, not sure how many times I would need to repeat that and also for me its about "position and subject and affiliations" >>NOT<< "Wealth" wealth is a by product and side subject, side issue, not the focus.

You are not the only one here who vilifies rich people. It's hardly uncommon.

You don't agree that you do, point noted.

You love the echo of your own set views of what other people think dont you mate, its as if you know what I think more than I do ... amazing.

Please get over it and stop insinuations of crap I have never said of which you guess I say, think, and really mean its getting tiring now mate, you already noted personal situations about attacked for having wealth, it seems your letting that emotion cloud your views way too much, we agree to differ, end of.

Who do I blame most in all this? The people who buy newspapers in the first place.....
Where there is a market and all that, and yes there are 2 sides to it .. then again that's also like clamping down on any "consumer" with any subject when the shops or whoever fall on the wrong side of the law. But I agree on part of what you say about that, although I wouldn't go as far as to say I blame them "the most".

I have not bought a tabloid in 20 years, and have not bought any newspapers for the last 10 years, can any of you say that?

I can, never been "into" tabloids or newspapers since I can remember, do not have TV either, way too much controlled shite in it :) Edited by mrcash2009

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Oh dear it's going to be a tough week at no.10 lol.

Nothing unusual in that though. You will find the previous 2 PM's did the same thing. I read something about Mrs. Brown having a slumber party for Brook's children.

Until recently the entire cabinet and shadow cabinet were all attending Murdoch's private parties but many people seem to have developed selective amnesia about that lol.

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BREAKING NEWS!

The News of the World Whistle Blower Sean Hoare, who outed the Murdoch's papers for hacking into phones, including Millie Dowler's and was revealing that other Murdoch papers were involved, has been found dead.

News of the World phone-hacking whistleblower found deadDeath of Sean Hoare – who was first named journalist to allege Andy Coulson knew of hacking – not being treated as suspicious

Amelia Hill, James Robinson and Caroline Davies guardian.co.uk, Monday 18 July 2011 18.04 BST

Sean Hoare, the former News of the World showbusiness reporter who was the first named journalist to allege that Andy Coulson was aware of phone hacking by his staff, has been found dead .

Hoare, who worked on the Sun and the News of the World with Coulson before being dismissed for drink and drugs problems, was said to have been found at his Watford home.

Hertfordshire police would not confirm his identity, but the force said in a statement: "At 10.40am today [Monday 18 July] police were called to Langley Road, Watford, following the concerns for the welfare of a man who lives at an address on the street. Upon police and ambulance arrival at a property, the body of a man was found. The man was pronounced dead at the scene shortly after.

"The death is currently being treated as unexplained but not thought to be suspicious. Police investigations into this incident are ongoing."

Hoare, who was in his mid-forties, first made his claims in a New York Times investigation into the phone-hacking allegations at the News of the World.

He told the newspaper that not only did Coulson know of the phone hacking, but that he actively encouraged his staff to intercept the phone calls of celebrities in the pursuit of exclusives...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/news-of-the-world-sean-hoare

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The police service which took the Murdoch's assurances that there was no more hacking and who's police chief had to resign after it was found he took thousands of pounds worth of paid for spa holidays from News Corp and which employed one of the editors involved in the hacking inquiry did not find the death Suspicious?

Hmmm...

Walker

---------- Post added at 11:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 10:34 PM ----------

Hi all

Yet more senior police officers are being forced to resign!

BREAKING NEWS!

Another Senior Police officer has been forced to resign.

18 July 2011 Last updated at 18:32

John Yates quits Met Police amid phone-hacking scandal

Met Police Assistant Commissioner John Yates has quit after growing pressure amid the phone-hacking scandal.

Mr Yates checked the credentials of Neil Wallis before the Met employed the former News of the World executive, arrested last week over hacking claims.

He said his conscience was clear and had "deep regret" over his resignation.

Meanwhile, the Independent Police Complaints Commission has received referrals about the conduct of four current or former senior Met officers...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14181344

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Man its just...

You could not make this stuff up!

There has never been a scandal like it.

If you wrote this as a book or film it would be laughed out of the publishers and producers as too unbelievable!

If they do make a film of it it will have to be a trilogy or series!

I wonder what odds I could get at the bookmakers for a general election for September or October?

Shell shocked walker

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Hi all

News Corp has had a credit warning issued against it!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h5Yhnt1kUEFMcYjOZKsiIEvF5vBA?docId=CNG.ada716ced71318ea0135c1e6ff5f8e4a.211

There are increasing signs that the company may become insolvent will have to be broken up.

Anecdotaly when I pass WH Smiths there are a stack of unsold Sun news papers everyday and when I spoke to a news agent she confirmed it just aint selling.

The sun's website is inaccesable, maybe they cannot afford their ISP bill?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/

Walker

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The suns website has been hacked by Lulzsec, stop making unfounded guesses.

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The suns website has been hacked by Lulzsec, stop making unfounded guesses.

Hi niall0

Yes you are right and aparently they are claiming to have the Sun's emails.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/18/sun-website-hacked-lulzsec

Other sites are saying News Corp itself has been hacked

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/lulz-security-says-it-hacked-news-corporation-sites/

and its emails taken amid fears that News Corps financial data have been hacked.

Additionaly Rupert Murdoch is said to be about to resign.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10739465

The media have started calling the scandal the Murdochoclypse.

http://www.ifre.com/why-murdocholypse-=-watergate/645272.article

One headline the Sun is glad it did not think of. :D

Kind Regards walker

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The News of the World Whistle Blower Sean Hoare, who outed the Murdoch's papers for hacking into phones, including Millie Dowler's and was revealing that other Murdoch papers were involved, has been found dead.
Funny enough the same "type" and the same real journalists I mentioned previous that this whole debacle will focus on shutting down. Anything REAL info = terrorism, extremist views / domestic terrorism, theory, conspiracy and wrapped in "tin foil".

Dr David Kelly (who final emailed "many dark actors playing games") got the same treatment, although im wrong becuase none of it was suspicious. :raisebrow::kungfu::popcornsmilie:

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"We have joy we have fun, we have messed up Murdoch's Sun" - You've gotta hand it to Lulzsec for this one! Top job! Walker, they brought down News International too for good measure. Check their Twitter feed if you're interested.

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To quote Saturday Night Live:

"How much did they know, and when did they stop knowing it?"

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Hi all

Latest information is that there 12,000 victims so far discovered, of News Corp phone hacking.

Some sources (was mentioned on Sky news yesterday) are saying there are over 128,000 possible people that police have to contact.

The sheer scope of this is stagering.

And that is before we consider that there are investigations now in Australia and the US and talk of other Murdoch assets being investigated around the world.

Murdochs questioned Live

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14193124

Walker

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Murdoch was physically attacked during the questioning

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"We have joy we have fun, we have messed up Murdoch's Sun" - You've gotta hand it to Lulzsec for this one! Top job! Walker, they brought down News International too for good measure. Check their Twitter feed if you're interested.

Yes, lets all praise Lulzsec for SILENCING free speech! :j: Yup, let's break the law in order to silence anyone who we don't agree with.

Please explain to me how publishing distinct opinions in a newspaper has to do with a few bad apples breaking the law? If you're going to start an anti-FOX News thread then just call it as such. Stop pretending you actually give a crap about the victims of the phone hacking. We don't need a thread being the official 24/7 anti-Rupurt Murdoch News Centre. We already have CNN for that!

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