Bush unpopular in berlin

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Please point out where I made sweeping generalizations.....<span id='postcolor'>

Just one example?

Well, the only one of the top of my head is your comment about Clinton sucking. I've noted that Republicans often resort to the sweeping generalization that Clinton sucked, yet ignore that the US economy grew more in the Clinton years than in 12 years of republican (mis)management.

Sure Clinton got into a sex scandal...but dont y'all idolize Kennedy who was a known philanderer. And as far as scandals go, I'd rather be the butt of a cigar joke than be behind the selling of weapons to Iran *cough* Ronnie and Shrub Sr. *cough* .....

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I've noted that Republicans often resort to the sweeping generalization that Clinton sucked, yet ignore that the US economy grew more in the Clinton years than in 12 years of republican (mis)management.

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Break Glass in Case of Moron.

Why do people credit economic prosperity to the excutive branch? It is a proven fact that U.S. presidents are blamed for economic downfall and praised for economic prosperity even though they have very little to do with it. Hey Warin, why don't you come and be a U.S. citizen before you bad mouth our leaders. I never sit here a bitch about European politicians. Hmmm....interesting how liberals like to bitch so much. Also, a president is only as good as his cabinet. Clinton's happened to suck, especially concerning foriegn policy.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey Warin, why don't you come and be a U.S. citizen before you bad mouth our leaders. <span id='postcolor'>

Welcome to a free and open society. I am allowed to say whatever the hell I want and, being frank... you cant stop me. At least Clinton was never misunderstimated by anyone Or thought Canada had a Prime Minister named Jean Poutine.

You might not have liked Clinton...but you truly cant say bush is better with a straight face. Without the reasonably adequate Cabinet that he has, Bush would be in a great deal of trouble.

But then...like father like son...

I'll take one term presidents for 200 dollars, Alex.

[USSoldier11B 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You might not have liked Clinton...but you truly cant say bush is better with a straight face. Without the reasonably adequate Cabinet that he has, Bush would be in a great deal of trouble.

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Bush is better than Clinton.

I'm glad he isn't my commander in chief anymore, I'm very relieved. Couldn't imagine Gore being on charge of my fate. He is a tree hugging, honey pissing whiner, and his wife is a quasi-Gestapo bitch.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'll take one term presidents for 200 dollars, Alex.<span id='postcolor'>

I'll take that bet.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Couldn't imagine Gore being on charge of my fate.<span id='postcolor'>

Now you're talking about something we can agree on Gore is too smart without a speck of empathy, and would likely have made a really poor president. Mostly because unlike Bush, his cabinet wouldn't have been as good.

I guess we'll agree to disagree on Bush.

[Guest]

Oh, dear, is this thread still on?

Clinton was far more popular in Europe then Bush is. As for Gore, he was obviously more popular in USA since he won the popular vote.

Bush said to Castro "We'll only stop sanctions when you

hold a free election where the majority of voters can choose a new

government."  Castro replied:  "OK.  You first."

[pathfinder 0]

Clit...errrr...clinton rose to power during the .COM- INTERNET BUBBLE days, and when he left the bubble had already poped. Bill and gore made it look like they were the reason the economy was so doing so good. We can say that we hate him, because he gave us so many reasons to.

It was more than scandals and starting wars to cover his scandals. It was the fact he just didn't represent many of the people who elected him.

But getting back to the original post. I'd love to see how many out of towners were protesting there. Looked like more than half were non german protesters. Not that hard to bus a bunch of people from all over Europe , It happens all the time here in the U.S.

And as far as{ thou shall not kill }goes Im an Atheist. So I don't see killing osama being a bad thing. But I beleive in everybodys right to worship their god, if they choose to. As long as you don't kill people and claim your religion gives you that right.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (pathfinder @ May 24 2002,03:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">But getting back to the original post.   I'd love to see how many out of towners were protesting there.   Looked like more than half were non german protesters.   Not that hard to bus a bunch of people from all over Europe , It happens all the time here in the U.S.<span id='postcolor'>

Possible, but irrelevant. The normal case when an American president visits a European country is children waving Amercian flags and so on. This time it wasn't.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And as far as{ thou shall not kill }goes Im an Atheist. So I don't see killing osama being a bad thing. But I beleive in everybodys right to worship their god, if they choose to. As long as you don't kill people and claim your religion gives you that right.<span id='postcolor'>

Eh...ok. So you are saying that killing is ok if you are not religious. You may kill, but not say that it is in gods name. Ok, that is an interesting way of looking at things..

[Longinius 1]

"If your living in america,your a american."

Wrong. If you are an American citizen, then you are American. You don't have to be a citizen to work in the states. Many people work in America, but are citizens of other nations. Its nothing unusual at all. They were NOT Americans.

There were people from Australia, Bermuda, Canada, China, El Salvador, Germany, Grenada, Ireland, Israel, Japan, Lebanon, United Kingdom and those still not identified. These people were not Americans.

Yes, a majority of the dead and wounded were Americans, but many were also from other nations.

[Longinius 1]

"And as far as{ thou shall not kill }goes Im an Atheist. So I don't see killing osama being a bad thing. But I beleive in everybodys right to worship their god, if they choose to. As long as you don't kill people and claim your religion gives you that right."

Interesting, cause Americans still kill in the name of God. Where do you think the basis of the death penalty comes from if not from the Christian concept of "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."? Christianity and Islam are just as bad, the difference is that they are at different stages of evolution. The Christian nations are more developed than most Muslim nations, that is the only difference.

[FallenPaladin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ May 23 2002,16:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FallenPaladin @ May 23 2002,16:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I`m neither yellow nor a coward!!!

I`m just of the opinion that saying all germans have an offensive position towards Bush and the USA, because of a few thousands of demonstrators, is stupid.<span id='postcolor'>

For the fourth time in this thread: Clinton was greeted by supporters, Bush was greeted by demonstrators. Please explain!

Also to put it straight: Are you for a deployment of German troops in a future military campaign in Iraq?<span id='postcolor'>

Personally I am, because I`m no friend of dictators anyway. But only if Saddam still resists to let somebody look into his chemical weapon brewery and everything is blessed by NATO.

[Longinius 1]

"Personally I am, because I`m no friend of dictators anyway. But only if Saddam still resists to let somebody look into his chemical weapon brewery and everything is blessed by NATO."

He has allready agreed, multiple times, to let 'someone' look. He just don't want those someone's to be fanatically loyal to the US agenda. Which is understandable. A truely neutral party is needed. Who that is, I have no idea.

[FallenPaladin 0]

What about taking people from finland, sweden or danmark?

No seriously, maybe that would be a good task for the russians. They might have a better way to deal with the iraqi regime.

[foxer 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ May 24 2002,07:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Personally I am, because I`m no friend of dictators anyway. But only if Saddam still resists to let somebody look into his chemical weapon brewery and everything is blessed by NATO."

He has allready agreed, multiple times, to let 'someone' look. He just don't want those someone's to be fanatically loyal to the US agenda. Which is understandable. A truely neutral party is needed. Who that is, I have no idea.<span id='postcolor'>

Why should they be neutral ? Iraq lost the war,They better listening to us.Remember what happened when the germans lost the war ? We took all their jet fighters,well heck we took every known technology that was better then the allies/russia stuff.This happens in everywar,but iraq,why should we do what he say when he lost ?

[Longinius 1]

"Why should they be neutral ? Iraq lost the war,They better listening to us.Remember what happened when the germans lost the war ? We took all their jet fighters,well heck we took every known technology that was better then the allies/russia stuff.This happens in everywar,but iraq,why should we do what he say when he lost ?"

So, you are basically saying that the US has the right to go bomb any nation they want to than state any demands that fit their agenda and everyone must comply? Are you insane? The US has no right what so ever to demand anything from Iraq. The US is NOT the UN, it is not the spokesperson for the international community. It is not the ruler of the world.

But, ofcourse. What am I talking about. The US is the nation that want the power to prosecute any suspected war criminal from any nation but wont let others do the same to their soldiers. That is ofcourse not doublestandards, oh no. It is simply the fact that the US, as the good guys, are always right and are allowed to do anything they want.

[foxer 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ May 24 2002,13:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Why should they be neutral ? Iraq lost the war,They better listening to us.Remember what happened when the germans lost the war ? We took all their jet fighters,well heck we took every known technology that was better then the allies/russia stuff.This happens in everywar,but iraq,why should we do what he say when he lost ?"

So, you are basically saying that the US has the right to go bomb any nation they want to than state any demands that fit their agenda and everyone must comply? Are you insane? The US has no right what so ever to demand anything from Iraq. The US is NOT the UN, it is not the spokesperson for the international community. It is not the ruler of the world.

But, ofcourse. What am I talking about. The US is the nation that want the power to prosecute any suspected war criminal from any nation but wont let others do the same to their soldiers. That is ofcourse not doublestandards, oh no. It is simply the fact that the US, as the good guys, are always right and are allowed to do anything they want.<span id='postcolor'>

I mean if you go to war with the U.S. and you lose,you better listen to the winner.Did U.S.(with allies support ) not kick some iraqi ass ? They lost soo they should listen to us,and they shouldn't care if the inspectors work for the cia ,or telling the cia what's going on.They lost the war,they have no opinion.

[Longinius 1]

"I mean if you go to war with the U.S. and you lose,you better listen to the winner.Did U.S.(with allies support ) not kick some iraqi ass ? They lost soo they should listen to us,and they shouldn't care if the inspectors work for the cia ,or telling the cia what's going on.They lost the war,they have no opinion."

So, what you are saying is that the loser has no rights, for ever and ever? Which is more important, to get observers into Iraq to end the conflict or to get American observers into Iraq?

[Akira 0]

This topic has reached my boredom level...

As soon as someone has something new and exciting to say let me know. These are all the same old arguements, repeated, rehashed, and repackaged.

To Warin:

Yes Clinton sucked. That is not a generalization. That is fact. Maybe when you better understand American politics you will realize that. Prosperity was already starting with Bush. He and his placating fuckheads head nothing to do with it. They just rode the crest and duped people into thinking they did it. The only reason he was so "liked" internationally was because he placated so many other countries while neglecting his own. Especially his ass kissing of China, as he turned his back on Taiwan. He led the way in the deconstruction of the military, and our intelligence community (started by another Dem. Mr. Carter). And speaking of "pot calling kettle black"...for someone who is against "over-protectionist Americans" you sure sound a lot like an "over-protectionist Canadian". I'm hypocritical? Have you even been reading what you are writing? "You over-protectionist Americans slapped tariffs on Canadian lumber causing Canadians to lose their jobs. You guys shouldn't put tariffs on our lumber!" Gee why is that? So Canadians don't lose jobs and Americans do? Hypocrite.

And as for all the "Clinton was greeted and Bush was hated" crap spare me. Never heard such a load of sweeping generalization crap in my life. I'm not even going into reasons that statement is ridiculous. They have been stated before and ignored once already.

And yes Iraq SHOULD give into our "requests" (and the UNs btw), because that was part of the treaty SIGNED by Iraq at the end of the war. And where did you see Iraq agreed to inspectors? Because its bullshit. How many times before have they required an "un-biased" group, only to say No again when it is brought forth? Give me a break.

I'm tired of this same conversation. It makes me *YAWN*. People have their mind made up and clearly no one is going to change their mind. Leave it at that.

Odd how all the peacenik, peace first crap comes out of a forum of a game whos object is to blow people away.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ May 24 2002,15:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes Clinton sucked. That is not a generalization. That is fact. Maybe when you better understand American politics you will realize that. Prosperity was already starting with Bush. He and his placating fuckheads head nothing to do with it. They just rode the crest and duped people into thinking they did it. The only reason he was so "liked" internationally was because he placated so many other countries while neglecting his own. Especially his ass kissing of China, as he turned his back on Taiwan. He led the way in the deconstruction of the military, and our intelligence community (started by another Dem. Mr. Carter).<span id='postcolor'>

*Sigh* So you are a republican. And yes your statement was a generalization.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And as for all the "Clinton was greeted and Bush was hated" crap spare me. Never heard such a load of sweeping generalization crap in my life. I'm not even going into reasons that statement is ridiculous. They have been stated before and ignored once already.

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How convinient to ignore something that you cannot answer.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And yes Iraq SHOULD give into our "requests" (and the UNs btw), because that was part of the treaty SIGNED by Iraq at the end of the war. And where did you see Iraq agreed to inspectors? Because its bullshit. How many times before have they required an "un-biased" group, only to say No again when it is brought forth? Give me a break.

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Gwak, who cares.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm tired of this same conversation. It makes me *YAWN*. People have their mind made up and clearly no one is going to change their mind. Leave it at that.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, you are the one not listening to other people's arguments and repeating the same thing over and over agian.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Odd how all the peacenik, peace first crap comes out of a forum of a game whos object is to blow people away.<span id='postcolor'>

Big words dude, but you have no credibility. You see for instance ussoldier11b has entirely opposite views of mine. Yet I respect them since he is clearly living as he preaches. You, Akira, I entirely disagree with, but I don't put any values in you views. You have nothing exept empty talk to back them up. Go and do something for your country instad of sitting on the couch waving a flag.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ May 24 2002,14:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I mean if you go to war with the U.S. and you lose,you better listen to the winner.Did U.S.(with allies support )  not kick some iraqi ass ? They lost soo they should listen to us,and they shouldn't care if the inspectors work for the cia ,or telling the cia what's going on.They lost the war,they have no opinion.<span id='postcolor'>

They lost indeed! Loosing is the right word! They realy lost a lot.

A whole country was devastated. Cool no? they realy fucking got their ass kicked by the US! They gotta learn their lesson, no? Do what we say otherwise your people get no food for decades. You gotta take it, you are the looser!

Saddam`s fridge is probably the only one in Iraq that is always full.

(if you would have been born in old Rome you would probably carry the name "Nero")

[Akira 0]

A-No I am not Republican. I'm middle of the road, I just don't agree with a-demantling of the military and b-raping the intelligence community...in that respect I am very conservative.

B-I can answer and it HAS been answered before. You either chose to ignore it or missed it.

How convinient for you.

C-Iraq comments were not to you but the foxer/Longinius "debate". And no I don't think they should accept just because they "lost". But because they signed a treaty to the effect. But I have no problem with non-American/Ally inspectors. If Iraq accepts them, which I dont' think they will.

D-Hypocritical. True I'm rehashing old shit in response to old shit that was rehashed before. Why I got tired of it. We've all been down this road.

E- You know nothing about me nor what I do for a living (and yes I work for the government btw) so don't speak of what you know nothing about. I don't really care if you put stock in my views or not. It makes them no less valid then your views. Your inability to have a discussion without resorting to some kind of name calling or personal insults have destroyed any crediability you had. So, since you have turned this "discussion" into a 4th grade name calling contest I'm out of here.

[Longinius 1]

"And yes Iraq SHOULD give into our "requests" (and the UNs btw), because that was part of the treaty SIGNED by Iraq at the end of the war."

Like they had a choice?

"And where did you see Iraq agreed to inspectors? Because its bullshit."

No, its not. Iraq (Saddam rather) agreed to one comittee but the US vetoed it because it didnt contain the people they wanted.

"How many times before have they required an "un-biased" group, only to say No again when it is brought forth? Give me a break."

How many times havent the US done the same?

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Now I got this thread all for myself

[Guest]

3--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Akira @ May 24 2002,163)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">E- You know nothing about me nor what I do for a living (and yes I work for the government btw) so don't speak of what you know nothing about.<span id='postcolor'>

You have said earlier that you work with taxes. Being a government bureaucrat doesn't IMO count as doing something importrant for your country.

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I don't really care if you put stock in my views or not. It makes them no less valid then your views.

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True, but there is still a difference between talking and putting your money where your mouth is.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Your inability to have a discussion without resorting to some kind of name calling or personal insults have destroyed any crediability you had. So, since you have turned this "discussion" into a 4th grade name calling contest I'm out of here.

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My name calling?? Nah, whatever, I am through with you. Not worth the effort.

[PitViper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Longinius @ May 24 2002,01:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Interesting, cause Americans still kill in the name of God. Where do you think the basis of the death penalty comes from if not from the Christian concept of "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."?<span id='postcolor'>

umm.. death penalty is based upon proportional punishment. I don't see anything in the bible based upon "eye for an eye". I know thats in the Koran though.