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Hi guys, I'm new-ish here but I've been following this site for quite a long time. Anyway, I loved the addon but I would like to contribute some constructive criticism here about the TK extension of your project. If you follow the comments on armaholic, I did try there but the commenting is not very followed I think. So here's some suggestions:

1)-Even though this addon increases aircraft, there is something missing in the air force...a higher-end air to air fighter. I mean like a Mig-29 or an F-16, that sort of standard. Because American F-15's and F-18's are gonna take down Mig-21's or Su-22's any day of the week. But have it up against these two planes, and you have a challenge on your hands!

2)-This addon makes the TK army a bit too inclined to the eastern side. The original army is a mix of eastern and western weaponry. Maybe replacing the Su-22 with an F-4 or an F-5 would make a difference. But then again, adding an F-16 would also do the trick.

3)-Takistan still has no navy. Whereas it's made to be a landlocked sort of country, there's too many addons that almost everyone has in which Takistan has a coastline. So a small navy would be awesome. And it spices stuff up anyway!

4)-Maybe it's a good idea to add some Chinese equipment to the army. China has begun to start making it's own tanks and exporting them, just a thought.

Don't get me wrong, I think this addon is great, just that these few things might make stuff perfect, and make the TK army a complete army. And I'm really interested in that because I love playing as Takistan.

I have been thinking alot about this post.

1 and 2. The F-16 is a bit out of reach in my opinion. The takistanis are obviously mixed with older eastern bloc and western equipment. There really is no room for it to fit in as far as logistics and servicability could possibly be realistic. A nation like taksitan could easily manufature small arms amunition and bullets, yet sophisticated sidewinders and amraams would be out of the question. Given the time frame of the rest of the army's equipment i don't think Takistan would have been leaning towards the west(especially US) any time recently. Using an F-4 or F-5 would fit into the time frame of western equipment but they are no match for any modern aircraft. Su-24 is heavy bomber, Su-22 is strike fighter, MiG-21 is the fighter, Su-25 is close air support role, and L-39 is COIN aircraft.

One thing i have been considering would be the Mirage F-1 or Mirage2000 for the Takis. The French always seem to do their own thing and lean towards these types of middle eastern, african desert nations. Hell we even found Exocet and Magic missiles in Iraq dated as new as 2002. Nothing against the French or their policies, im just stating they tend to cater to a certain genre of customer reguarless of what the US and UK think. This would add that western flavor without upsetting the balance or being urealistic.

Another thing to consider is my upgrading of Taki's air defenses including guns and several SAM systems make the skies over takistan a very very lethal place to attempt to fly. This would level the playing field for MiG21s and Su-22s (possibly another aircraft) to operate. Stop thinking individual systems and more combined layers of defense. This is how any modern military bases their doctrine.

3. I am not interested in adding a takistani navy.

4. China? You already stated the army is too eastern oriented. I like the balance i currently have, but I think that adding any chinese equipment would push it even farther in that direction.

@eggbeast: absolutely no Su-30 and did you get a MiG-23?

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On that note, what do you think about new Takistani infantry? Units that inherited old U.S./NATO gear after the Invasion of Takistan. I suggested something like this in the PCDF and even tried to make my own (but failed miserably).

You could do something like:

Basic Infantry - similar to current Takistani infantry. Olive Drab uniforms and PASGT helmets. Full sized FN FAL's and the Para version for Officers.

Airborne Infantry - Slight variation from above - U.S. woodland BDU's or desert DCU's as opposed to the OD uniforms and Para versions of the FAL only.

SF Infantry - Once again, woodland BDU or desert DCU, no helmet, something like a basic M4 or AK-74 variant.

Of course, the weapons are purely suggestions based off of what they have now. It would be even cooler to see something different like the AUG or Galil as a standard rifle. Even the M16A2 or plain M4 would work. Or - based off of what you said about the French, even the FAMAS would be a good candidate. Anything different then what we usually see would be nice. Once again these are just suggestions, nothing more, I just wish there was more variation then the mostly outdated infantry force we have now with its oddly mismatched weapons (FAL and M16A2/M203 combo was always very weird to me….).

EDIT:

Also, a working SCUD would be nice for the Takistani's to counter the RACS missile command. Initially I thought they (each of the missile platforms) were just sort of a cool thing to have until I accidently placed one in my mission the other night...

/story mode on

Quick background - I was playing a RACS vs. Takistan scenario using High Command Extension for myself and using the RydHAC HETMAN artificial commander mod (commands the opposing AI and sends them after predefined objectives and stuff, awesome awesome mod). After playing for nearly an hour I had most of my forces well committed in a nasty fight near one of the maps objectives. On the bulk of my forces flank was another secondary objective that I had very, very lightly defended. The Artificial Commander took advantage of this, and sent about eight tanks and an infantry squad in that direction to secure it. Once they did, they began to slowly creep forward. With my main forces engaged, these guys striking on their flank would certainly catch them off guard and do a lot of damage - probably causing me to lose the objective. Thinking quickly, I ordered the crew of the randomly placed missile truck (S-390 I think?) out and I got in and fired on that position with the single missile it held. The missile hit some 40 seconds later, and destroyed all of the infantry and seven of the eight tanks, saving my main force.

/story mode off

So, seeing as how valuable these weapons could potentially be, I think it would be nice for the Takistani's to have their SCUD's working in a similar function. I know there is already a SCUD mod out, but if I remember correctly it is a nuclear armed SCUD - I'm thinking something more conventional.

Going off of eggbeast's idea of CS gas, I was also thinking the SCUD could be armed with chemical weapons as well. I could see them being used to both slowly kill and force an enemy out of an area, or simply for area denial. Launch a chemical missile at an area you want the enemy out of, they either stay away from it knowing that it is deadly or accidently stumble into it and slowly die. Maybe a little to extreme, but I thought it would be kind of cool.

Edited by stupidwhitekid75

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One thing i have been considering would be the Mirage F-1 or Mirage2000 for the Takis. The French always seem to do their own thing and lean towards these types of middle eastern, african desert nations. Hell we even found Exocet and Magic missiles in Iraq dated as new as 2002. Nothing against the French or their policies, im just stating they tend to cater to a certain genre of customer reguarless of what the US and UK think. This would add that western flavor without upsetting the balance or being urealistic.

Until the Gulf War, but mainly starting from the Six Day War, France supported Iraq and had very good relations with Saddam Hussein. Thus, during over 20 years, France has built many infrastructure on Iraqi soil (such as experimental nuclear reactor class Osiris was destroyed by an Israeli air raid in 1981) and sold many of his sophisticated arsenal to Iraqi army (Exocet, Mirage F-1, Super Etendard, AMX-30, etc ...). Many of these weapons will be destroyed by the Iraq-Iran war, the Gulf War, or the Iraq war in 2003.

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On that note, what do you think about new Takistani infantry? Units that inherited old U.S./NATO gear after the Invasion of Takistan. I suggested something like this in the PCDF and even tried to make my own (but failed miserably).

You could do something like:

Basic Infantry - similar to current Takistani infantry. Olive Drab uniforms and PASGT helmets. Full sized FN FAL's and the Para version for Officers.

Airborne Infantry - Slight variation from above - U.S. woodland BDU's or desert DCU's as opposed to the OD uniforms and Para versions of the FAL only.

SF Infantry - Once again, woodland BDU or desert DCU, no helmet, something like a basic M4 or AK-74 variant.

Of course, the weapons are purely suggestions based off of what they have now. It would be even cooler to see something different like the AUG or Galil as a standard rifle. Even the M16A2 or plain M4 would work. Or - based off of what you said about the French, even the FAMAS would be a good candidate. Anything different then what we usually see would be nice. Once again these are just suggestions, nothing more, I just wish there was more variation then the mostly outdated infantry force we have now with its oddly mismatched weapons (FAL and M16A2/M203 combo was always very weird to me….).

So, seeing as how valuable these weapons could potentially be, I think it would be nice for the Takistani's to have their SCUD's working in a similar function. I know there is already a SCUD mod out, but if I remember correctly it is a nuclear armed SCUD - I'm thinking something more conventional.

Going off of eggbeast's idea of CS gas, I was also thinking the SCUD could be armed with chemical weapons as well. I could see them being used to both slowly kill and force an enemy out of an area, or simply for area denial. Launch a chemical missile at an area you want the enemy out of, they either stay away from it knowing that it is deadly or accidently stumble into it and slowly die. Maybe a little to extreme, but I thought it would be kind of cool.

NO. This is Project RACS. The TK Extension is simply filling out the usual incomplete BIS ORBAT. Not necessarily an attempt at leveling the multiplayer field, but deploying equipment that should be there. This is not going to be Project Takistan or anything silly like that. The infantry provided with the game are more than sufficient. In fact they are an extremely good representation of the middleastern, north african, west asian troops ive seen personally during my world tours with the US Army.In the 1960-90s many countries equipped with FAL and some with G3 supplimented their troops with M16A2 and M203 for the grenadier role. even UK SAS did similarly.

I spent nearly 10 years in an anti-armor company with the US Army 101st Airborne division. After the TOW our next heavy weapon was the Mk19. Therfore i have seen and used absolutely every round made for it. Never did we deploy any sort of CS gas or WP/smoke from regular MK19 feeds. These were supplimented and implimented by drivers and some squad leaders equipped with M203 to carry out this role.

The use of chemical weapons or and scripted gasses is strictly not a part of my mod. These actions require heavy scripting and i avoid it whenever possible in order to maintain server compatibilities.

@W4lkn I was not trying to offend but simply point out how widely French equipment and aircraft are exported within the region. The weapons I personally saw in Iraq were not in violation of any of the UN arms embargoes. I was simply stating they were there and plentiful.

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@W4lkn I was not trying to offend but simply point out how widely French equipment and aircraft are exported within the region. The weapons I personally saw in Iraq were not in violation of any of the UN arms embargoes. I was simply stating they were there and plentiful.

You did not offend, do not worry :p Just a few clarifications : History is history, I can do anything ;)

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yeah our gas developments (and the plane ones too) are strictly for playability/fun. i just uparmed a dingo with a 48 round belt of incapacitating agent and tested it on a crowd in Utes - awesome!

using this against a crowd of stone throwing locals, to trigger an insurrection and then a blackhawk down type of protracted meatgrinder would be awesome! we're going to put the same gas ammo into the KA60 lol. don't use our ideas for the base realism stuff, but i'm pleased you don't mind us messing with a patch layer on top of the mod to develop fun gameplay.

when i read your post above i was thinking mirage, mirage, mirage...

in dingor at the moment we're having fun doing air patrols (on my way in in just a minute to do exactly this) - the su22 is a a KILLER! the mig21 has always been a real threat - it sits up at 5 clicks and then bang! you're down and you didn't even know he was there. the su22 though - it always wins if it fires first. makes the frogfoot look like a tired old bus. even makes the flanker look "reticent"!

some ideas (from uk ex-mil looking out at the world)

COIN

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMA_IA_58_Pucar%C3%A1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-17

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bae_Hawk

"there was also concern that the Hawk could be potentially armed with chemical weapons" yay!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panavia_Tornado_ADV

(the saudis have it - similar to sahrani)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-38

they must be selling some of these by now

fighter (already developed for arma2 - but needs finishing)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-23

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mig_25

bomber

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-111_Aardvark

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-28

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F-5 removed

Edited by wld427

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Taki fighter spotted near the border, intercepted and escorted away by RSAF aircraft.

Is that snakeman's F-5?

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Where'd ya get that F-5, bro?

:)

its not an F-5..... its a MiG-28 :)

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its not an F-5..... its a MiG-28 :)

What?

Ok wait, this is the photo I'm look at:

http://s469.beta.photobucket.com/user/ProjectRACS/media/arma2oa2012-11-2919-52-16-61.jpg.html

I've compared it with this photo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Northrop_F-5E_(Tail_No._11419)_(cropped).jpg

It looks like an F-5 to me :)

Edit: Oh I'm a big derp, I read Mig-29... I get the reference from Top Gun now hahaha

mig-28_3.jpg

Edited by GossamerSolid

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What?

Ok wait, this is the photo I'm look at:

http://s469.beta.photobucket.com/user/ProjectRACS/media/arma2oa2012-11-2919-52-16-61.jpg.html

I've compared it with this photo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Northrop_F-5E_(Tail_No._11419)_(cropped).jpg

It looks like an F-5 to me :)

Edit: Oh I'm a big derp, I read Mig-29... I get the reference from Top Gun now hahaha

http://static.bf2s.com/files/user/52201/mig-28_3.jpg

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Myke;2259226']You have been successfully trolled. ;)

That's what I get for reading too quick :)

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Some new media. Thanks Ballistic09 for the pics.

M3.jpg

twilight.jpg

tard.jpg

pinnyday.jpg

F18.jpg

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What is the map on the picture of the F18?

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What is the map on the picture of the F18?

I assume it is Seattle from Take on Helicopters, as the first screenshot looks like one of the other maps from it.

I think ToH had a patch that merges in all Combined Operations content.

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Interesting.

How CAN I merged TOH and CO?

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Not by asking in the PRACS thread, thats for sure. Do not derail a thread!

May I suggest you at least try to search before asking?

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Gotta say I havent, sorry...

Anyway, back to thread:

Will the F18 be in the next update?

Thanks for making the SEM, even the OFrP mod hasnt them, though it is a French plane.

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