Post Fukushima. Where Now for Nuclear Power?

[ben_s 11]

The only real problem this public acceptance problem is, that nuclear power plants in alot of places will come to the end of their life within the next decade. And we will have to find other ways to supply the demand then, Which will inevitably be higher than it is now.

And nuclear power is the best option we have so far. To match a nuclear reactor you need ridiciously large ammounts of renawables, or use fossil fuels. Either way, it ruins the enviroment in a much larger way than a nuclear power station would.

Even Hydroelectric power is more dangerous, especially if you build cities or towns around the dam, or down the river.

Nuclear isn't the best option, but it's the only really viable one for the future.

[walker 0]

Hi all

The key problem is that nuclear power industry still has no solution to all those "Too Dangerous to put back in the reactor fuel rods"

http://www.thespectrum.com/article/20110322/NEWS01/110322009/-US-has-71-862-tons-of-nuclear-waste--but-no-permanent-storage-solution

And they want to dump the cost of storing them on tax payers.

Kind Regards walker

Edited March 22, 2011 by walker

[Dwarden 1124]

yep the issue of safe temporary and permanent storage facilities is definitely a serious problem to solve ...

the 'next generation' reactors capable reuse these rods are still too far away (2 decades at minimum)

only certain types and portion of rods can be actually re-fit for use on actual generations

we are actually building sort of perma-temporary (inbetween the two) storage facility in safe location (damn expensive contract with tons of ? about safety of the process and who the hell is behind it as usual ...)

so yes i fully agree that some pressure must be put on the high security and especially bancrupcy and typical 'saving on wrong places' ...

this i say whle i would like to claim our nuclear plants are safer than these in Japan (overall, thanks to nitpicking Austria)

[Rovka 14]

Problem's sole cause, and name: Human Race.

[Dwarden 1124]

Problem's sole cause' date=' and name: Human Race.[/quote']

hard to solve w/o reaching status of "Last of Mankind" on route to "safer nature" :)

[Rovka 14]

'Proper education' are the words.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Kyodo - NEWS ADVISORY: No. 2 reactor power repair work halted, 500 millisievert per hr radiation

Are you frigging kidding me? Japan is finished as a nation, if they can't get this shit under control. AND that's ONLY No. 2, you DO NOT want to know the levels at Unit 3.

[whisper 0]

Read about 9.1 cSv somewhere

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

A public report by the National Research Council of the National Academies "on Safety and Security of Commercial Spent Nuclear Fuel Storage":

http://forum.janeysnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=813&start=80#p19828

[walker 0]

Hi all

First official pictures form inside the Fukashima plant show the took that suggestion in the report Iroquois Pliskin linked.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1369216/Fukushima-Fifty-First-pictures-emerge-inside-Japans-stricken-nuclear-power-plant.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

6th Picture down titled: Water spray: Workers at Fukushima yesterday try to cool the plant

The original link came from Iroquois Pliskin from which I specifically linked this part

...The report linked there actually looks like a feasible and reasonably common sense solution to getting water to the specific needed locations.

http://olarislab.com/report11.pdf ...

According to this article in National Geographic most modern Western reactors would not fair any better were similar power outages at the plants to occur.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2011/03/110323-fukushima-japan-new-nuclear-plant-design/

The safety procedures at many US reactors on fault lines and in Hurricane zones are being reviewed in the light of what has happened at Fukushima.

Kind Regards walker

Edited March 24, 2011 by walker

[THX-1338 10]

Hm...exuse me for some offtop. My parents come in Russian Far East at the end of 80th ears from Ukraine not only for better pay for work in military industry, they tried to go out from nearests to Chernobyl places. And now I see the new radiation event... Not so far from my home. Funny irony of destiny...

Hm, I hope, that the wind do not bring the radiation to us, because the wind go in one direct at half of year and radiation must go to the ocean. But what will be with fish, i don't know. Damn, I liked to eat fish so much before...:D

I hope, that the Japans will win this problem, becouse their defeat in this battle with radiation means ...hm, how to say it's more understandably and not rudely?... very bad situation not only for Japan.

Excuse me my bad English, please :)

[walker 0]

Hi all

Half of the US now opose any further nuclear plants.

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/03/in-fukushima-aftermath-half-of-americans-now-oppose-building-new-nuclear-plants/72911/

And this event has naturally enough prompted some American's to seriously ask:

"Where does ET store its Too reactive to put back in the reactor fuel rods?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-wellen/fukushima-where-do-aliens_b_839419.html

You could not make this shit up. :j:

Kind Regards walker

Edited March 24, 2011 by walker

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

If you can't have cheap, plentiful energy at this point in the Globe's time, you get societal collapse. Nuclear power is not going anywhere, unless you want the former to happen.

[whisper 0]

That's the point. Being reasonable with our energy will go with paying more for it, and people won't accept that

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

That's the point. Being reasonable with our energy will go with paying more for it, and people won't accept that

Yes, but having a second Chernobyl doesn't help:

http://www.snrc.gov.ua/nuclear/uk/publish/article/146393;jsessionid=BA051971310B175C9BD972760A2DC08F

SNRC receive their info directly from IAEA - they're quoting 1,49 to 49,3 Sv/hour (149 to 4930 rem/hour) radiation at the damaged units. Chernobyl had up to 10k rem/h on the roof, when they were clearing those graphite piles.

Translate it with: http://translate.google.com/#

P.S. For Russian-speaking folks, in Ukrainian "год" translates as "чаÑ" into Russian language.

[whisper 0]

From when is this article? There has been some days ago a confusion in measurement transmission stating mSv when in fact it was µSv, from what I gathered. Though I guess govt sites should clear infos once they have the correct figures.

Anyway, Cherno #2 or not, the bill must raise. I don't believe anything replacing nuclear power will be any safer for the same price, sorry.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

From when is this article? There has been some days ago a confusion in measurement transmission stating mSv when in fact it was µSv, from what I gathered. Though I guess govt sites should clear infos once they have the correct figures.

Anyway, Cherno #2 or not, the bill must raise. I don't believe anything replacing nuclear power will be any safer for the same price, sorry.

http://www.grs.de/sites/default/files/UE-STC-Stand_1100_240311_0.pdf

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[whisper 0]

Info was not from TV, I barely watch TV :)

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Latest analysis with the help of PPoint: http://forum.janeysnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=918#p21404

Keep in mind, events in Reactor 3 do not apply to situation in number 1; number 3 suffered a thermal explosion/expansion by all accounts with release of nuclear fuel onto the surface.

Edited for emphasis: When reading the above-mentioned document, background themes such as this -

are imperative, in order to understand the implications of the analysis, even though, that there may be underestimates on the total amount of nuclear fuel exposed directly to the atmosphere. :icon_hm: Edited March 26, 2011 by Iroquois Pliskin

[walker 0]

Hi all

An Analysis of the latest pictures and video from inside the Fukushima plant by the Union of Concerned Scientists seem to show that TEPCO are not actualy in control of the Reactors.

http://allthingsnuclear.org/tagged/Japan_nuclear?utm_source=SP&utm_medium=more&utm_campaign=sp-nuke-more-direct-3-24-2011

None of the instrumentation and controls appear to be working.

This gels with other reports that the emergency crews are punching holes through the containment to insert jerry rigged probes on sticks and using construction pumps to try to pump out radioactive water at 100,000 times normal radioactivity.

An earlier TEPCO marketing report of a million times more radiation seems to have been released by as a marketing ploy in order to reduce public concern. It is a common marketing trick where, you know the price of fuel is about to go up by 100% you say it is going to go up by 1000%, then when it goes up by 100% you then say it is not as bad as was expected. It is called managing peoples expectations. All the stupid people fail to see the trick.

How long such construction pumps can survive pumping radioactive waste is of concern. Much equipment that was put in to the only similar radioactive event that of Chernobyl failed rather quickly and they were soon reduced to using "biobots"

The IAEA status reports seem reasonably accurate and free of bias

http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html

but they remain sceptical that TEPCO is releasing all the information as what they do release does not gel with independent measurements which seem to point to a release of radiation comparable to Chernobyl.

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14938445,00.html

Recent videos seem to to show what appear to be fuel rods scattered arround the site.

What you are looking for:

http://www.nfi.co.jp/e/product/prod02.html

And the videos

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See:

0:09

0:53

1:03

Possible parts of fuel rods 1:16

1:39 onwards

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This also links to infra red hot-spots seen out side the core areas.

Regards walker

Edited March 28, 2011 by walker

[sickboy 13]

Time to step into the future of clean energy? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgQCKNLSzE4

www.vetryak.com.ua

[walker 0]

Hi all

As well as the videos that seem to show fuel rods outside the containment's; see previous post:

..Recent videos seem to to show what appear to be fuel rods scattered around the site.

What you are looking for:

http://www.nfi.co.jp/e/product/prod02.html

And the videos...

Of worry is the increasing frequency and magnitude of radiation spikes driving the emergency crews to evacuate the area, and their coincidence with so called "Neutron Beams."

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/80539.html

These seem to be indicative of uncontrolled criticallity events both in reactor cores in meltdown http://defense-update.com/wp/20110328_fukushima_spike.html

and of particular worry in the Fuel Pool of Reactor No.4

These neutron surges are indicative of Prompt Critical events and seem to be increasing in frequency which is considered a VERY BAD SIGN.

Japan has already used up its store of Boronic Acid in the accident and put in a world wide request for additional supplies.

http://www.theweatherspace.com/news/TWS-3_17_2011_vafbboricaid.html

http://www.ksby.com/news/diablo-canyon-sending-boric-acid-to-crippled-japanese-plants1/

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/03/17/2011031701085.html

The main use of Boronic acid is as a Neutron Poison and has no use in a SCRAMed reactor as it has boron rods that do this job, the Boronic acid is mainly used in the Fuel Pools.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_nuclear_accidents#Possibility_of_criticality_in_the_spent_fuel_pool

The truly frightening danger is these so called "Spent Fuel Pools", (marketing speak) in reality these fuel rods have become so much more reactive that they are too dangerous to remain in the reactors, and that is why they are removed and not because they are uncreative; which is a problem that is more or less endemic among the western worlds reactors. It is so costly for the nuclear industry that they are trying to dump it all on tax payers.

http://blogs.reuters.com/gregg-easterbrook/2011/03/18/the-danger-of-spent-fuel-rods-and-the-yucca-mountain-project/

The worry at Fukushima is that with the increasing frequency of Neutron surges, the emergency workers will be driven away for longer and longer times and that the spent fuel pools will then become dry, we then have the prospect of Fukushima becoming the so called "Chernobyl on Steroids" of nightmares.

While TEPCO has classified this as a category 5 Nuclear incident, numerous independent sources are saying they are are deliberately downplaying the seriousness of the incident and that in actual fact on known radioactive releases alone this even has already surpassed that of the only previous category 6 incident. In fact officials in the US France and Finland have already rated it as a Level 6: Serious accident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INES_scale#Level_6:_Serious_accident

Time to Evacuate the Fuel Rods

Clearly the "spent fuel pools" (marketing speak) need to have the fuel rods evacuated from the area now or we really are looking at "Chernobyl on Steroids".

That is going to be a truly monumental task as each fuel assembly will have to be individually taken; so as not to cause a prompt criticallity, and there are literally thousands of fuel rods and fuel rod assemblies at Fukushima. Numbers for these too reactive to stay in the reactor fuel rods vary from around 11,000 to 600,000 in 6300 fuel rod assemblies but the reality is that they have to be moved to a safer location.

Kind Regards walker

Edited March 28, 2011 by walker

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Boom, headshot:

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81603.html

Plutonium detected in soil at Fukushima nuke plant

Plutonium has been detected in soil at five locations at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Monday.

These sons of bitches were hiding this for a over a week.

http://forum.janeysnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=932&start=20#p21971

[walker 0]

Boom, headshot:

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/81603.html

Plutonium detected in soil at Fukushima nuke plant

These sons of bitches were hiding this for a over a week.

http://forum.janeysnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=932&start=20#p21971

Oh Fuck!

I took them at their word that all the MOX was inside the reactor so clearly either those were scattered MOX fuel rods or we have a full scale melt down and breach in reactor No. 3

Fuck Fuck Fuck.

The job just got a whole bunch harder.

http://af.reuters.com/article/metalsNews/idAFLDE72R1SU20110328

Oh and we just passed Chernobyl

Edited March 28, 2011 by walker

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

There's going to be Level 8 in the INES scale by Summer.