Post Fukushima. Where Now for Nuclear Power?

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

Has anyone noticed that the RT story is using the legal limits for drinking water (roughly? possibly using wrong units too) when they don't apply? It isn't in drinking water, it's in a ground water monitoring well? Is that more evidence we should end nuclear power and buy more Russian oil and gas? There could be yet another discussion about ethical standards in journalism over this?

Edited July 10, 2013 by Mattar_Tharkari

[walker 0]

Hi all

There are a number of agencies now reporting increasing levels of radiation in the Pacific.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/japan-fukushima-panel-idUST9N0FT06A20130805

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2013/08/03/national/huge-leak-of-tritium-feared-in-fukushima/

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0803/466222-fukushima-radioactive-water-risk-rises-newspaper/

http://www.news24.com/Green/News/Tepco-discloses-extent-of-nuclear-leak-20130805

Tepco have now admited that Radioactive water has entered the Pacific Ocean at Fukushima.

Tepco are declaring an emergency.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/uk-japan-fukushima-panel-idUKBRE9740H420130805

Fukushima Leak Is An 'Emergency,' Watchdog Official Says

Posted: 08/05/2013 9:59 am EDT | Updated: 08/05/2013 9:59 am EDT

An official at Japan's nuclear watchdog told Reuters on Monday radioactive water seeping from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant into the sea constitutes an "emergency," an assessment far more extreme than previously stated.

"Right now, we have an emergency," head of Japan's Nuclear Regulatory Authority (NRA) task force, Shinji Kinjo, told the news service.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO), the plant's operator, admitted last month that contaminated water from Fukushima had leaked into the underground water system and reached the sea. The company gave its first estimate of the extent of the leak this weekend.

According to AFP, TEPCO estimates between 20 trillion and 40 trillion becquerels of radioactive tritium have spilled into the ocean...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/05/fukushima-leak-emergency_n_3707075.html

As Alway follow the link to read the full article

Fishermen have been warned to stop fishing.

It would apear that at least one of the cores has gone China Syndrome, despite millions of gallons being pumped into them, probably unit 3 for which there is no reported level of water. Reactor 2 is also probably fully breached as it has only half metre of water in the bottom despite continuous pumping of water into it.

Regards walker

Edited August 5, 2013 by walker

[Rovka 14]

So now eating Sushi, and (for now) Pacific borne fish is going to be hazardous too? I wonder to what extend the spill will fan out into the Pacific, and wether that "cloud" of contaminated water is that large that it ultimately will reach out into other oceans... (be it possibly in dissipated form.) Who's going to keep track of the "cloud's" path?

But for now its surely bad news for those who are dependent on localized fishing, this damned contamination simply cannot be contained.. Sad, really sad...

And so from now on killing whales off the coast of Antartica is going to be a food-source instead of for so-called "science"? (pun intended.)

[*LK1* 10]

There could be yet another discussion about ethical standards in journalism over this?

yes. and the conclusion could sound like this: there's no more ethical journalism anymore. in the west like in the est. the biggest newspapers and networks are becoming more progovernment than before when it comes to speak on foreign politic and geopolitical news reguarding the country where they belongs. and to be honest in countries like america or russia there never existed a truly ethical standard for journalism. they act like "partizans" of the national interests.

thing happening in japan too, where the major networks are starting a campaign to persuade the people to buy products from the area affected by the ecological disaster instead to inform people on the conseguences of eating contaminated food.

journalists are a cancer in most of the cases, not just guardians of democracy and pluralism as they would like us to believe.

Edited August 5, 2013 by *LK1*

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

So now eating Sushi' date=' and (for now) Pacific borne fish is going to be hazardous too? I wonder to what extend the spill will fan out into the Pacific, and wether that "cloud" of contaminated water is that large that it ultimately will reach out into other oceans... (be it possibly in dissipated form.) Who's going to keep track of the "cloud's" path?

But for now its surely bad news for those who are dependent on localized fishing, this damned contamination simply cannot be contained.. Sad, really sad...

And so from now on killing whales off the coast of Antartica is going to be a food-source instead of for so-called "science"? (pun intended.)[/quote']

Whilst things at the plant are certainly not good, don't be fooled into thinking this is a huge disaster by misunderstanding the units:

One becquerel is defined as the activity of a quantity of radioactive material in which one nucleus decays per second.

So when the media reports talk about trillions of becquerels it's not really that much, and much depends on the substance released and it's half life, they are talking about tritium which does not have the harsh biological effects of other substances. The effect of dilution on this is huge so talking about whole oceans becoming radioactive isn't really valid. It creates a local problem only, a small one. As for the levels of radiation in fish in the pacific, there is probably more in the bananas you eat every day.

To put it into perpective:

"There was about five times the background amount of cesium 137 in the bluefin tuna they tested, but that is still a tiny quantity, Madigan said: 5 becquerels instead of 1 becquerel (It takes 37 billion becquerels to equal 1 curie; for context, a pound of uranium-238 has 0.00015 curies of radioactivity, so one becquerel would be a truly miniscule proportion)," Reuters

thing happening in japan too, where the major networks are starting a campaign to persuade the people to buy products from the area affected by the ecological disaster instead to inform people on the conseguences of eating contaminated food.

Food contamination: the limit for the USA regarding Caesium-137 is 1200 becquerals per kilogram (bq/kg), in Japan it is 500 bq/kg. Rice from the Fukushima area close to the reactors reached around 800 bq/kg in 2011 and was condemned. They did find a fish next to the plant with 740,000 bq/kg, you probably wouldn't want to eat that but it's likely you would survive it and have many healthy decades afterwards. Some things are safe to eat and some things aren't, and people are rightly worried because it's difficult to stop the occasional thing slipping through somewhere. However, saying that all food from the Fukushima area isn't safe to eat is untrue. You wouldn't find me eating sushi from the area, that is why it is banned from sale.

If you asked people to stop smoking, drinking too much or using sun beds they probably wouldn't. Yet those are more likely to cause health problems than eating rice from Fukushima, so why not continue to rebel against expert advice and sprinkle some Cs-137 on your fish and chips too? How many have popped a pill or snorted something without knowing the constituents, or smoked bootleg tobacco contaminated with chemicals and heavy metals, yet mention minute quantites of radiation and it's headless chicken time.

Edited August 5, 2013 by Mattar_Tharkari

[Rovka 14]

What worries me is the fact that they more often then not purposedly hush and play-down facts so to not scare people. (keep them dumb.) To say I don't want ANY bg/kg in my body is nonsense, nature has bequerels everywhere aswell.

But atleast please, let them be honest about the true amount of what's going on here at Fukushima Daiichi, and other related disasters like Chernobyl and lesser known (nuclear) incidents.. For I fear the true truth isn't out of the hat yet... And let's face it: Sadly it probably never fully will either!

Edited August 5, 2013 by Thani '82

[walker 0]

Hi all

If you look back in the thread you will see that several of us predicted that one or more of the cores could go China Sydrome, for those of you who do not understand what this means here is a quick simplified video.

http://fairewinds.org/media/fairewinds-videos/fukushima-could-it-have-a-china-syndrome

The video is several years old.

There are indications in the fact that steam is pouring out of the top of the reactor building, and that radiation levels are aproaching those seen in 2011, that the worst case scenario has happened and that the corrium has achieved criticality again.

Certain sources are appearing...:

http://hamanora.blog.ocn.ne.jp/photos/uncategorized/2011/06/05/20110601_10.jpg

http://media.theage.com.au/national/selections/fresh-fukushima-radioactivity-alert-issued-4632729.html

Regards walker

Edited August 5, 2013 by walker

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

Bull - radiation measurements would soon show if that was the case and they don't. You are confusing radiation measurements in groundwater which have nothing to do with the state of the mass at the bottom of the reactor vessel. They have probes under the reactor which showed in 2012 that melt-through did not occur in 2011 and has not since. There are also temperature probes mounted on the pressure vessel - no significant change in temperature. The steam was noticed on 18th July and they have monitored it ever since:

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/

Thermal camera inspection:

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/handouts/2013/images/handouts_130724_06-e.pdf

Steam pouring out? My shit can do better on a cold day?

Edited August 6, 2013 by Mattar_Tharkari

[mrcash2009 0]

Japan's nuclear body calls radioactive groundwater leakage at Fukushima 'emergency'

http://www.arirang.co.kr/News/News_View.asp?nseq=149925

http://enenews.com/tepco-situation-fukushima-bleak-discharge-beyond-control-video

Mattar, I hope you support the locals and get some fish orders in for the family, please post your official results over time & also maybe pop over and pay a visit for some sight seeing & do some skuba diving, if you think this is being overplayed or even exaggerated then you are certainly not on the same planet that I reside. You can wax lyrical about stats all day long, this thing is a fking' FUBAR situation and we stare in the face of it & questioning stats making a situation that's awful to be less awful. TEPCO wont give everything to the public domain thats at least one sure fact, ironicly they will leak it out in stages.

[*LK1* 10]

What worries me is the fact that they more often then not purposedly hush and play-down facts so to not scare people. (keep them dumb.) To say I don't want ANY bg/kg in my body is nonsense' date=' nature has bequerels everywhere aswell.

But atleast please, let them be honest about the true amount of what's going on here at Fukushima Daiichi, and other related disasters like Chernobyl and lesser known (nuclear) incidents.. For I fear the true truth isn't out of the hat yet... And let's face it: Sadly it probably never fully will either![/quote']

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exactly

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

Mattar, I hope you support the locals and get some fish orders in for the family, please post your official results over time & also maybe pop over and pay a visit for some sight seeing & do some skuba diving, if you think this is being overplayed or even exaggerated then you are certainly not on the same planet that I reside.

Some people that reside on this planet have the education and the skills to know and understand these things, they even comprehend what they read? That enables them to evaluate the risks properly.

Lets recap for those that got lost along the way:

Walker is saying there is a run away meltdown/melt through in progress (china syndrome), that's nonsense, b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t. What is happening is that the ground is fully saturated with water containing radioactive isotopes and is leaking over the barriers and measure put in place and seeping into the sea. That IS the current emergency. Not sure why this should be so because for the past 18 months even I have been wondering where they were going to store all that water and what massive treatment works would be installed to deal with it. So far planning and actions in that direction have been rather slow and a bit piecemeal. Not that it's easy, treating the water means concentrating the radiation in the sludge you extract which brings further problems in handling it. To extract water you need to dig boreholes, but if you put them in the wrong place you can make the situation worse. They are storing and treating some of this water but nothing near what is required has been put in place and as usual no planning for contingencies such as typhoons. I thought it was well understood in some areas of science that rain makes the ground wet?

TEPCO do need some encouragement to be a little more proactive.

Now radiation leaking into the sea is bad news, shouldn't happen. However, it's not of planetary significance and the main contaminants don't have very long half lives. It's going to cause a local contamination problem. The main one to worry about is strontium-90 and to a lesser degree caesium-137. You need to look at the biological effect each element has, not all work the same way. And of course it all depends on the volume of the leak and the concentrations of the radioactive isotopes. The faster the outflow and the higher the bq/l the worse the situation is. If it's a slow leak, the problem is largely solved by dilution. All I would say is, as usual, wait for the facts, don't misunderstand units relating to the measurement of radiation, be aware of safety limits and be aware of stories designed to scare stupid people.

You will see news agencies quoting trillions of becquerels without qualifying what a becquerel (Bq) is. 1Bq is 1 atom decaying per second. In the volume of the potassium contained in a typical human body you get 4,000 atoms decaying per second, 4 kBq of activity, due to naturally occurring potassium-40. If you find that difficult to understand there is a bit of a joke about the Banana equivalent dose that should clear it up, remember you can fit trillions of atoms across the head of a pin.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dosehttp://

One person I would caution against listening to is this quack, he likes to scare the stupid and convince them that they should be buying his magic anti-radiation pills:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Busby

Edited August 6, 2013 by Mattar_Tharkari

[*LK1* 10]

prime minister and hiroshima mayor have spoken during the anniversary of the fall of the atomic bomb.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/192576.html

http://www.thv11.com/news/article/274757/288/Japan-marks-68th-year-since-Hiroshima-A-bombing

Kazumi Matsui also said that nuclear energy represent an "absolute evil" for humanity due to the tremenduos conseguences of a nuclear accident. totally agree on that.

i'm just wondering how many accidents do we need before learning the lesson.

Edited August 6, 2013 by *LK1*

[mrcash2009 0]

Some people that reside on this planet have the education and the skills to know and understand these things, they even comprehend what they read? That enables them to evaluate the risks properly.

It actually enables them to draw a certain conclusion without being at the scene and knowing it for sure, and what is most sure the areas a blot on the planet no need for any paperwork to split hairs over statistics its a complete mess pure & simple, a worst case scenario on a daily basis.

i'm just wondering how many accidents do we need before learning the lesson

A few more no doubt.

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to Mattar_Thakari

I refer you to this page with a map of the Radiation readings at the surface.

http://fukushima-diary.com/2013/07/survey-map-west-side-of-reactor1-1-1-msvh-june-%E2%86%92-1-7-msvh-july/

You will note the radiation levels on the west side of the map, measured in Mili Sieverts per hour the maximum that a radiation worker at Fukushima may take in a life time is 1/4 of a Sievert. You will further note that the radiation level is rising, as I stated, this is indicative that the corrium is once more active.

On the matter of steam I presume, you know the difference between dry steam and condensed water and are not assuming the lack of a cloud of condensed water means no steam.

I and several others were aware of the hotspot for more than a year. A satelite thermagraph alerted those external to Tepco who are monitoring Fukushima.

You state that probes were placed below the reactors that melted down, my sources tell me this was not successful. In fact all probes placed in this area fail very quickly due to the radiation levels which destroy electronics as fast as they kill humans, say an hour or two at most, and getting probes down there takes days, as each dead robotic probe has to be dragged out before the next one can move some debris and get a few feet before it too dies.

I presume you are talking about a story about camera probes sent into Unit one, which has been highlighted by Tepco's publicity machine, and taken up by media friendly to Tepco such as this report:

http://atomicinsights.com/radiation-probes-indicate-no-melt-through-at-fukushima-unit-1/

It just goes to show how easy it is to fool some people, who it appears can not count. In science it is called sitation bias.

However the problems as I stated are with units 3 and 2

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/Mar/27/new-probe-finds-worse-damage-at-fukushima-reactor/

Unit 2 now only has two working monitors, the enviroment has been killing them off steadily, AFAIK Unit 3 has no working monitors and no way of assessing the water level, all they know is that despite pumping millions of gallons in to it, it is not filling. TTBOMK The engineers and international bodies are still working on ideas on how to monitor Unit 3. IMHO they are wasting their time as the indications are that, that particular Elvis has left the building.

I should also point out that radiation readings in several other spots are rising.

I have done my research in this matter. It may be that various international and national monitors will be/are spilling the beans on Tepco in the light of things they have withheld.

Post Script confirming the above

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23584008

Kind Regards walker

Edited August 6, 2013 by walker
Added post script

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

@Walker Here we go again...............

It would apear that at least one of the cores has gone China Syndrome, despite millions of gallons being pumped into them, probably unit 3 for which there is no reported level of water. Reactor 2 is also probably fully breached as it has only half metre of water in the bottom despite continuous pumping of water into it.

- Dry superheated steam can only occur under conditions of high pressure found within a turbine or boiler, just because they use the term 'dry' doesn't mean it doesn't condense into a white vapour cloud when you release it to the atmosphere. If you are trying to claim there is an invisible cloud of steam escaping there that doesn't contain any water and also can't be seen on thermal cameras you will invite great mirth and furious smack downs.....whisps of vapour like that can occur at low temperatures in humid conditions. Ever seen the sun warming water on a roof or frost - you get what looks like steam:

It's a similar thing at unit 3 - rainwater being warmed on the top of the reactor - it's 92% humidity there.

- Your evidence for a melt-through / china syndrome in Reactor 3 is a slight spike in radiation readings at reactor 1 while there is a negligible rise of 170mSv/h at reactor 3? How strangely radiation behaves in your parallel universe? And why so little, the units there are milli-sieverts.........get it? Also are you sure that isn't a fake map? The official map on 5:00 PM, July 19, 2013 released by TEPCO is here - looks different and doesn't have those readings???:

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/f1/images/f1-sv-20130724-e.pdf

If you look through the survay maps for previous months that data doesn't appear on them???

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/f1/index3-e.html

- The journalist (sic) who wrote the U-T San Diego piece is a jaw dropping half wit. The water in the containment vessel doesn't matter, that isn't where the melted core is located. What's left of the core is in the pressure vessel - study a diagram of a nuclear reactor please and note the difference between containment and pressure vessels. It's two different things.

- Robot probes dead? Nonsense - they use an instrument similar to an endoscope - you know the thing the aliens stick up your bottom? Robots are used at the site but not for that - they drill a hole in the containment vessel and workers insert a 'pole'.

- On 27/09/11, the no. 3 reactor's temperature readings were between 70–80 degrees celsius, it's cooler now than it was then (32degsC), any explanations for a melt-through with no increase in temperature?

- No working monitoring instruments eh (posted for the 2nd time)? http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/2013/1229513_5130.html

- postscript = bollocks - that's contaminated groundwater, as stated before - that does not indicate a further meltdown, it doesn't even have the right isotopes in it.

If you get the parts of the reactor confused, which is basic stuff, the rest of the bullshit story doesn't work - try harder.

Edited August 6, 2013 by Mattar_Tharkari

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to Mattar_Thakari

Your link also says there is no monitoring instruments in Unit 3. There have been no readings from Unit 3 for some considerable time, in fact since a few days after the initial meltdown.

Please post one that says there is monitoring in Unit 3.

Your map link does not include all monitoring, better to look at the time series tables and the multiple original maps that press version was composed from. They do point out one of the hotspots, though it has not according to that map been measured since July 2011. You will note its correspondance to the maps I pointed to but check the date of production of the two images and the dates of measurement ;)

TTBOMK the people at Fukushima are still trying to figure out a methodology to gather data in the highly radioactive environment of Unit 3.

On the question of melt through as I said it happened long ago probably down one of the thirty or so holes driled in the bottom of containment as part of its design. Or rather the design fault of such reactors.

I have simple question for you: In unit 2 tons of water are pumped in. It is supposed to be at a depth of ten meters but it is only 60cm deep. Where is all the water, tons a day, leaking through the containment vessel?

It must be not more than 60 cm from the bottom of the containment. Hint the leak must be larger than the bore of the pumped water, several fire hoses thick.

In Unit 3 there is no reported level of water. So the hole the water is leaking out through must be at the bottom and it must be huge.

There is though, steam and hot water a plenty bubbling up through the ground at Fukushima, it has been doing so for some time. It is the reason why in reality Fukushima passed Chernobyl in terms of total releases to the environment about a year ago. I seem to remember warning people about this earlier in the thread, Fukushima is a continuous explosion of radiation and will remain so for decades, or with regard to the meltdown and almost certainly melt through by the MOX plutonium core in unit 3, for millenia.

Kind Regards walker

Edited August 6, 2013 by walker

[mrcash2009 0]

Its all about the long-term with this mess for sure, the most played down tragedy is slow motion for people's life time.

[Tonci87 163]

walker and mattar in the same thread, this should be interesting.

No matter what the statistics say fokushima is a desaster.

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

walker and mattar in the same thread, this should be interesting.

No matter what the statistics say fokushima is a desaster.

No question it's a disaster, but what Walker is actually describing are the conditions inside his head lol.

He still doesn't know the difference between the pressure vessel and the containment vessel and if there was an unshielded meltdown as he says people would be suffering from radiation sickness in mainland China and dropping dead in Tokyo. Please refer to the radiation survey of the reactor buildings, workers go inside all the time, there is one area that they avoid which is clearly marked, it's a floor at the top of the reactor next to the storage pond, all those readings were taken by workers and there are videos of them doing it:

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/f1/images/f1-sv3-20130322-e.pdf

Melt through occurred in 2011 - strange they didn't notice when they looked inside?

A further detailed survey of the Torus room (reactor basement) was conducted in 2012 - note the highest reading is 360mSv/h, average is less than half that, doesn't indicate a melt through? So you say there was a melt through? How is it possible for people to enter the building and why is there no evidence? 11 workers went into the basement Torus Room of Unit 3, and put a survey robot in the lower level:

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/images/handouts_120712_03-e.pdf

Monitoring of Unit 3:

Press Releases 2013

Press Release (Aug 06,2013)Steam Found Near the Central Part of the Fifth Floor (Equipment Storage Pool Side) of Unit 3 Reactor Building at Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (Follow-up Information 18)

This is a follow-up report on the statuses of steam found wafting through the air near the central part of the fifth floor (equipment storage pool side) of Unit 3 on July 18.

Although the steam has not found since 12:05 PM yesterday (August 5), at around 8:00 AM today (August 6), we found steam coming again from near the central part of the fifth floor (equipment storage pool side) of Unit 3 by a camera.

The plant status and the monitoring post readings at 8:00 AM are as follows, and no abnormality has been found.

- Reactor water injection, cooling of the spent fuel pool:

Continuing stably

- Monitoring post readings, continuous dust monitor amounts:#1

No significant change was found

- Temperature of RPV/PCV:#2

No significant change was found

- Pressure of dry well:#3

No significant change was found

- Noble gas monitor:#4

No significant change was found

- Weather condition:#5

Air temperature 26.3℃, humidity 92.0%

* The weather condition is as of 8:00 AM.

We will continue to monitor the status closely.

Ad nauseum - posted for the 3rd time http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/2013/1229513_5130.html

#1 = Radiation monitoring station

#2 = Temperature data from the Reactor Pressure Vessel / Pressure Containment Vessel, as it is unchanged it still means the RPV is at around 32 degrees C.

#3 = Pressure - if there was a melt through pressure would increase as would temperature?

#4 = an increase in radioactive isotopes of Noble gasses is the first sign of a nuclear reaction, no increase?

#5 = Weather - note the humidity, water vapour condenses at relatively low temperatures when it's humid.

3 biggest BIS trolls on the same page - school holidays?

Edited August 7, 2013 by Mattar_Tharkari

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to Mattar_Thakari

Once again no monitoring of the inside of the containment has taken place, No Probes are reporting from within the contaiment at all. Oh and no one has been into the basement of Unit 3 the video you showed proves it, they did not venture down the stairs as the radiation levels were too high. So no they did not venture under the containment to take measurements.

The survey handout you posted also shows the robot did not venture under the containment rather it stayed in the outside of the torus, as far as we can tell from that survey, in the upper two floors.

By the way once again you are showing the Tepco Press handouts. They are partial truths being spun by TEPCO for public relations. As I said go look at the stuff that is in Japanese and does not have handout printed on it. They are the reason the monitoring teams both national and international are spilling the beans. That plus the data from external monitoring and the satelite thermal images.

And as a result I also wish to note that TEPCO have now been removed from control of Fukushima.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/07/us-japan-fukushima-pm-idUSBRE97601K20130807

Once again where is the water pumped into the reactors 2 and 3 to cool it going?

Where is it leaking out, through the top or the bottom?

On the matter of the continuing leakage of radiation to the environment.

I refer you to

...

With regard to sea-born releases:

The plan to build a subterranean coffer dam is TEPCO's only option but with the water table less than 20m below ground all that will do is push the radiation further back in land polluting more of Japan's water table before eventually overflowing round the edges or over the top and out in to the Pacific where fisheries are already requiring checks in Canada and the US. The current filtration system cannot even cope with current topsoil level releases, so without a massive increase in its size it cannot hope to cope with the water table polution levels.

And though all these months Fukushima Daiichi continues to pour out radiation minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day week after week, month after month with no prospect of a letup probably for milenia.

Walker

As you can see I exactly predicted this second emergency 2 years ago, while you...

I should point out that at the time the information on the water table was ~10m that has been revised to ~20m to ~30m.

In reality the decomisioning of all Nuclear Power plants, especialy if the plant is in meltdown, falls on the tax payer; as does the cost of long term storage of the radioactive waste. Fukushima will probably bankrupt Japan and the Japanese people. Meanwhile those who made massive profits off Tepco sit in their mansions with their offshore bank accounts.

Sadly walker

Edited August 7, 2013 by walker

[mrcash2009 0]

I also wish to note that TEPCO have now been removed from control of Fukushima.

Out of the frying pan into another fire I wonder? In terms of information being released over the long term.

3 biggest BIS trolls on the same page - school holidays?

Decoded: 3 users that dont see things the same way as I do in the off topic section so they must be children, your entitled to you guesswork I suppose.

Edited August 7, 2013 by mrcash2009

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

Decoded: 3 users that dont see things the same way as I do in the off topic section so they must be children, your entitled to you guesswork I suppose.

Must be trolling kids? Report under the video describes workers visiting the torus building to insert a remote controlled surveyor into a hatch in 2012 and there is a table of radiation readings - the torus building is in the basement of the reactor. There is also a video of them visiting there earlier:

Survey unit video - torus building basement of reactor 3 - the radiation dose is displayed in mSv/h as you can see it's all under 400mSv/h - not what you would expect if there had been a melt through? No dust/debris/soot either?

I imagine any adult would be able to read and get some understanding out of this report (posted for 2nd time)?:

http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/nu/fukushima-np/images/handouts_120712_03-e.pdf

Edited August 7, 2013 by Mattar_Tharkari

[R0adki11 3945]

Decoded: 3 users that dont see things the same way as I do in the off topic section so they must be children, your entitled to you guesswork I suppose.

Please keep things polite and civil in this thread. This is a polite warning.

Thanks RK

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to Mattar_Thakari

I refer you to 2:26 in you second video note the stairs going down to a door, The robot does not go down them onto that level, there for the robot probe has not gone down to the basement, they are still above the bottom level

Once again I refer you to the survey path in the survey map you present. The blue line. Note it follows the outside of the Torus. Your Survey map path does not proceed under the Reactor Body at any point.

Once again millions of gallons of water are being pumped into Unit 2 Reactor and Unit 3 reactors, yet there is no sign of it in your video. Where is it leaving the reactors?

Kind Regards walker

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

That is the torus basement - the survey robot is on a cat-walk 6ft above the floor, on top of the torus. The catwalk stairs go down to the floor and a side room leading to further stairs that go up and out, it's the bottom of the Southwest stairwell.

http://photo.tepco.co.jp/library/120712_01/120712_05.jpg

In some parts of the video you will see a large yellow vertical flange sticking up through the catwalk - that is the access into the torus itself. All this is shown in the pdf from TEPCO, any reason you can't read it?

They can't send anything underneath the reactor containment from there because there are no passage ways. It's a solid circular block of concrete that weighs many 1000's of tonnes. If you had studied a diagram of a boiling water reactor like I suggested you would know that.

The cooling water is on recirculation, there were leaks that flooded basements and tunnels in the turbine halls which are at a lower level, the reactor basement at Unit 3 was never flooded, leaks at unit2 and unit3 were fixed in 2011, the new problem is the inflow of groundwater from the land behind the power plant, it's forcing contaminated water to the surface:

The problem is you have the wrong idea about what is actually happening, not sure how you arrived at that but basic facts suggest there is no 'china syndrome' taking place at Unit 3. There is water in the reactor containment vessel and it can flow into the torus, if there were a 'china syndrome' currently taking place it would be very obvious, but there is:

1. No increase in radiation levels in the basement

2. No temperature increase

3. No pressure increase

4. No noble gas isotopes detected

No one is going to open the RCV airlock and take a picture for you because they don't need to, the above means things are cool and quiet. You will probably have to wait 10 to 20 years before they dismantle that area and take a look.

I found that thermal survey from the area on Unit 3 where they noticed the water vapour - where you said there was dry steam? Temperature indicates the opposite:

Edited August 7, 2013 by Mattar_Tharkari