Post Fukushima. Where Now for Nuclear Power?

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Keep in mind those are consumer dosimeters and only gamma radiation is being picked up (through the body of the car, till 1.5 km mark)

[walker 0]

Hi Iroquois Pliskin

I hope they had a really good shower after that with serious exfoliation. A number 2 head shave and throw away the clothes especially shoes and socks and trousers. 30km Outside the FEZ when their monitors started screaming should have given them a hint.

100 + μSv of gamma at waist height outside the car, there is probably a Darwin award in what the level was at ground level, where all the heavy stuff settled and where the Beta can reach.

Putting the dog in the car would be a really silly idea, the dust on its coat will be full of fallout from radio active rain, dust fall and rolling in the dirt, and it will all be strong beta and alpha emitters.

They should have done a close scan on the dog and done ground samples

Kind Regards walker

Edited April 7, 2011 by walker

[txalin 2]

another earthquake at 126 kms of fukushima, tsunami of 1 mt high announced, nhk says to the population to go to the highest zones

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

another earthquake at 126 kms of fukushima, tsunami of 1 mt high announced, nhk says to the population to go to the highest zones

http://forum.janeysnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1093&start=40

We're on it. Reports of Onagawa Nuclear Power Plant's damage to external power supply.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Fukushima has been evacuated:

http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/japan-fukushima-nuclear-plant-evacuated-after-fresh-quake-97052

Because of the amount of water there has had to be pumped into the reactors to prevent them from melting down there is now an additional fear that the reactor containment might rupture under load from all the additional water sloshing around in an eathquake.

Regards walker

[Mr. Charles 22]

Corporate greed with the highest possible negative consequences.. and it depresses me to think they will likely get away with it..

Sadly, exact the same happens in germany. Current government expanded the lifetime of the nuclear powerplants last year and now they have a 3 month wait and turn down a lot of the old reactors, saying that they need to test the safety of these, which were safe enough to expand their lifespan. I'd not be surprised if these plants will be powered back on after these 3 months, pretending that Fukushima never happened.

It is just sad to see, that the politicians still suck on the lobbyists a*ses, when enough nuclear meltdowns already happened in the world (Harrisburg,Chernobyl, now FUkushima Daiichi)

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/docs/rert/radnet-cart-filter-final.pdf

Tsunami properties & damage at the plant: http://www.meti.go.jp/press/2011/04/20110409007/20110409007-3.pdf

If you can translate the above file, it would be appreciated; Google Translate says it's too large.

Edited April 9, 2011 by Iroquois Pliskin

[walker 0]

Hi all

The Fukushima Exclusion Zone (FEZ) has been expanded after independent monitoring by Greenpeace showed far higher levels of radiation than were being reported officially.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/news-and-blogs/campaign-blog/fukushima-evacuation-zone-expanded/blog/34196

The fact that, the Official Japanese Government Radiation monitoring site:

http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/

has been censoring readings from the FEZ and beyond; since the event began and specifically censored readings in Ibaraki as soon as they went above 1000, and were caught doing it; shows they cannot be trusted.

In the City of Fukushima itself where readings were taken by local government staff and volunteers way above the evacuation levels the Governor has snubbed the TEPCO president twice now.

http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110411D11SS580.htm

The President of TEPCO spent most of the disaster hiding under the covers of his expensive private hospital bed, while refugees from the FEZ were refused entry to hospitals because of fears of radioactive contamination.

The continuing damage to the whole Japanese economy is making the position of the current Japanese administration untenable.

http://www.thenation.com/article/159596/naoto-kan-and-end-japan-inc

In the US an increasingly popular anti nuclear lobby looks like causing many of the aging nuclear plants that are replicas of Fukushima to be shut down, while scuppering future plans for nuclear plants, but the main problem remains what to do with all the ever-increasing volume of too dangerous to remain in the reactor fuel that sits in open pools scattered across the western world.

Walker

Edited April 11, 2011 by walker

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Japan may raise nuke accident severity level to highest 7 from 5

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/84721.html

The Nuclear Safety Commission of Japan released a preliminary calculation Monday saying that the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant had been releasing up to 10,000 terabecquerels of radioactive materials per hour at some point after a massive quake and tsunami hit northeastern Japan on March 11.

The disclosure prompted the government to consider raising the accident's severity level to 7, the worst on an international scale, from the current 5, government sources said. The level 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale has only been applied to the 1986 Chernobyl catastrophe.

The current provisional evaluation of 5 is at the same level as the Three Mile Island accident in the United States in 1979.

According to an evaluation by the INES, level 7 accidents correspond with a release into the external environment radioactive materials equal to more than tens of thousands terabecquerels of radioactive iodine 131. One terabecquerel equals 1 trillion becquerels.

Haruki Madarame, chairman of the commission, which is a government panel, said it has estimated that the release of 10,000 terabecquerels of radioactive materials per hour continued for several hours.

The commission says the release has since come down to under 1 terabecquerel per hour and said that it is still examining the total amount of radioactive materials released.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Fukushima raised to level 7

It is official Fukushima has now been raised to a level 7 incident. The highest level available on the current scale.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/13/world/asia/13japan.html

This is because subsequent to additional independent monitoring by Greenpeace and others the Japanese government have been forced to admit that radiation releases in the initial phase were far higher than they were letting on.

My personal thoughts are that this will top Chernobyl.

As it stands hundreds of thousands of people possibly millions will loose the lively hoods and homes and an unknowable number will suffer ongoing health consequences for perhaps millennia.

Potential death of the Pacific fishing industry

I am of the opinion, on the available evidence, that at least one of the reactors has gone in to a full meltdown and has melted its way down through the containment to the groundwater and is the cause of the continually rising radiation levels out at sea.

In which case this will be a festering sore of of unstoppable radioactivity for millennia and we may well see the death of the pacific fishing industry.

Nuclear Apologists

Far too many nuclear apologist both in this thread, across the Internet and in and on the media have been pulling the wool over too many peoples eyes. Professing knowledge yet showing a complete inability to understand the far reaching nature of the consequences of a nuclear accident. Thus they allowed it to become worse by their actions in downplaying it. For because so many trusted the politicians, businessmen and the "experts" in their pay and because our media has sat so long in their pockets, that we have created a world were marketing was allowed to trump safety.

IMHO

Greenpeace should be given the role of overseeing radiation release measurements, because we clearly cannot trust those of industry or governments. We know directly that TEPCO failed to enact safety protocols fast enough because they were worried about the effect on their assets. And the Governments continuing censorship of radiation monitoring information even on their Official Radiation Monitoring site.

http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/

With two whole regions that continue to be censored over a month after the incident and the fact they were caught red handed censoring data in the north of Ibaraki as soon as it went above 1000. All prove they cannot be trusted.

Where is the ground monitoring for Alpha and Beta emitters?

We are now over a month after the incident and we have seen just 6 ground monitoring results and they were from the IAEA, TEPCO and the Japanese government still have not released this data. For those not up on their physics nasty things like Plutonium don't release much Gamma radiation the thing Geiger counters pick up on when waived in the air. Instead they are Alpha emitters. These are big chunks of radiation that cannot travel far, but cause much, much more damage. The most easy analogy might be to consider a crowd being fired on by a sniper compared to the effects of a Fuel Air Bomb (FAB) placed in the same crowd. The snipers bullet travels further but the FAB devastates far more.

The too reactive to stay in the reactor fuel rods must be removed from the site

My real fear remains all the too unstable to remain in the reactor fuel rods stored at the site. They have the potential to turn this into Chernobyl on steroids.

walker

Edited April 12, 2011 by walker

[Rhodite 3]

I am sorry walker but Greenpeace? HAHAHAHA no..

While I will agree with you those with vested financial interests clearly have shown to be untrustworthy.. Greenpeace are the other extreme.. imho they are borderline Eco Warrior terrorists.

Concering Japan.. the existing controlling corporate should not only be disolved.. but the CEO's and board members should be held not only accountable but criminally prosecuted for concealling the truth.

Edited April 12, 2011 by Rhodite

[walker 0]

Hi Rhodite

As I pointed out in my previous post it was the independent monitoring of Greenpeace and others that forced TEPCO and the Japanese Government to come clean:

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Fukushima raised to level 7

It is official Fukushima has now been raised to a level 7 incident. The highest level available on the current scale.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/13/world/asia/13japan.html

This is because subsequent to additional independent monitoring by Greenpeace and others the Japanese government have been forced to admit that radiation releases in the initial phase were far higher than they were letting on...

The plain fact is that without Greenpeace and the other independent organisation blowing the whistle TEPCO the Japanese government and their apologists on the Internet and in the media would have continued to pull the wool over our eyes; as I pointed out:

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Nuclear Apologists

Far too many nuclear apologist both in this thread, across the Internet and in and on the media have been pulling the wool over too many peoples eyes. Professing knowledge yet showing a complete inability to understand the far reaching nature of the consequences of a nuclear accident. Thus they allowed it to become worse by their actions in downplaying it. For because so many trusted the politicians, businessmen and the "experts" in their pay and because our media has sat so long in their pockets, that we have created a world were marketing was allowed to trump safety...

So clearly both the industry and Government cannot be trusted. So one must in such cases take precautionary principle and have a watchdog.

And given the choice between a castrated industry poodle and a Rottweiler like Greenpeace for such an important matter I would far rather have the Rottweiler guarding the house.

We all ready know that the industry rates safety lower than share price.

...We know directly that TEPCO failed to enact safety protocols fast enough because they were worried about the effect on their assets...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704608504576207912642629904.html?mod=WSJ_WSJ_News_BlogsModule

And several of my previous posts point out that as with many other Nuclear Power Companies in the west, TEPCO were willing to falsify safety tests just to protect their share price and but for the fact it was mentioned in another source none of the other Western Nuclear powers would have told us that TEPCO had done this.

So as to the Governments it obvious many are in the industries pocket and it is certainly the case with the current Japanese administration:

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And the Governments continuing censorship of radiation monitoring information even on their Official Radiation Monitoring site.

http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/

With two whole regions that continue to be censored over a month after the incident and the fact they were caught red handed censoring data in the north of Ibaraki as soon as it went above 1000. All prove they cannot be trusted...

As to the industry: TEPCO's own disaster plan makes clear they do not understand the danger of the industry they are involved in:

http://www.marketwatch.com/video/asset/news-hub-fukushimas-safety-plan-wasnt-safe-2011-03-31/F2950B9C-944A-42E0-BB7C-376A0F0AD3BB#!F2950B9C-944A-42E0-BB7C-376A0F0AD3BB

Or indeed the very basic historical data and science of the environment they are running their plants in:

http://www.fairwarning.org/2011/03/utility-engineer-warned-of-tsunami-threat-at-japanese-nuclear-plant/

This inability to concieve of the threats despite having more than adequate historical and scientific evidense that Tsunamis as big as this are common in Japan.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704101604576248722573203608.html?mod=WSJ_hp_mostpop_read

And that the effects of a Nuclear Incedent are far reaching; for example

http://www.agra-net.com/portal2/home.jsp?template=newsarticle&artid=20017864542&pubid=ag005

Or to consider that a meltdown of a reactor or one of the too reactive to remain in the reactor fuel pools would reach groundwater and so polute the sea as to wipe out the pacific fishing industry. Leads me to think they are selectivley blinded by cash.

And this selective blindness is apparent across the Nuclear Power industry of the western world, here is an example of that selective blindness in the UK:

...“Britain is not going to be faced with a 14-metre tsunamiâ€. So says Prof. Sir David King, the former Government chief scientist, arguing that Britain should not allow the events at Fukushima to delay plans to build new nuclear power stations. And it seems he has a point. Back on January 2nd, 2005, just over a week since the devastating Boxing Day tsunami struck around the Indian Ocean, a top scientist was warning that “a mass of rock†off the Canary Islands was “waiting to collapse into the Atlantic†causing “giant tsunamisâ€. He added: “Britain would have a six hour warning before a 30ft wave hit usâ€. And who was this prophet of doom? The Government’s then chief scientist, one Prof Sir David King. Could they possibly be in any way related?

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My use of bold in the text

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geoffreylean/100082443/the-nuclear-industry-must-understand-that-the-unexpected-can-happen-even-in-britain/

As Always follow the link for the full original text

And as I pointed out the really important radiation monitoring information is still being censored:

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Where is the ground monitoring for Alpha and Beta emitters?

We are now over a month after the incident and we have seen just 6 ground monitoring results and they were from the IAEA, TEPCO and the Japanese government still have not released this data. For those not up on their physics nasty things like Plutonium don't release much Gamma radiation the thing Geiger counters pick up on when waived in the air. Instead they are Alpha emitters. These are big chunks of radiation that cannot travel far, but cause much, much more damage. The most easy analogy might be to consider a crowd being fired on by a sniper compared to the effects of a Fuel Air Bomb (FAB) placed in the same crowd. The snipers bullet travels further but the FAB devastates far more...

In fact once again I think it will be either that Greenpeace produces this information or that the imminent release of the information by Greenpeace will force the Japanese Government and TEPCO to disclose this information.

Kind Regards walker

Edited April 12, 2011 by walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

A shocking transcript of the stupid dithering by TEPCO has surfaced.

I suggest everyone reads it:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110411004567.htm

It makes clear that much of the disaster could have been averted if it was not for greed so rampant in the nuclear industry and that TEPCO postponed emergency measures for days presumably in order to protect the value of their shares. I wonder how many members of the board were busy selling their shares at the time?

Emergency staff at the plant were screaming to be allowed to enact safety protocols and the Prime Minister had ordered them to do so but TEPCO's head office dithered and dithered.

That such people are allowed to make safety decisions is beyond the pale.

Shocked walker

Edited April 12, 2011 by walker

[Rhodite 3]

I honestly cannot say I am surprised.. which is a sad fact..

Again as I have already said I shall be VERY disappointed if the men at the top are not held accountable and taken to task over their shocking mismanagement and greed motivated deception.

Given the opportunity to offer creative sentancing... they should be expected to work ONSITE and help clear up the mess.. that way the reality of their own arrogance and greed will be very real to them..

[walker 0]

Hi all

Missing Incedent Isotope Analysis

Where is the isotope analysis for the incident? It is almost a month after the event and yet the most important measurements of radiation levels; the key to working out how bad this incident is, have not been published.

What are tritium levels for water in the area?

Has a Xenon isotope ratio been established?

What are the Plutonium, uranium, thorium and cobalt levels?

Without the isotope analysis the people who are dealing with the incident do not know what the status of the reactors or the fuel pools are.

We now know that TEPCO and Japanese Government kept back information on how severe radiation levels were until independent monitoring by Greenpeace and others forced their hand.

What more are they hiding?

Drone Pictures of Fukushima

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm

There is an interesting analysis of them here:

http://newsfortheproactive.com/2011/04/07/700/

Though I am sure this community could do better.

Regards walker

Edited April 13, 2011 by walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

Now TEPCO are starting to realize what kind of crap they are in:

Japan nuclear crisis may be worse than Chornobyl

Daily Telegraph

April 13, 2011 12:56 AM

Japanese officials have admitted that the nuclear crisis in Fukushima could become worse than Chornobyl.

The admission came after regulators Tuesday upgraded the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi plant to a seven on the International Atomic Energy Agency's accident scale -on a par with the 1986 Chornobyl disaster, the worst ever.

Officials said the leak so far was a tenth of the radiation emitted from Chornobyl, but could yet eclipse the Ukraine disaster. An official from the plant operator said: "Our concern is that it could eventually exceed Chornobyl."....

My use of bold in quote

http://www.theprovince.com/news/Japan+nuclear+crisis+worse+than+Chornobyl/4605732/story.html

As always follow the link to the original article in full

The major difference is that Chernobyl was one explosion and one uncontrolled reactor, Fukushima is at least 3 explosions, 3 uncontrolled reactors and 4 uncontrolled fuel pools plus a 2 other controlled reactors and fuel pools.

Missing Incident Isotope Analysis

Where is the isotope analysis for the incident?

It is almost a month after the event and yet the most important measurements of radiation levels; the key data needed to work out how bad this incident is, have not been published.

What are tritium levels for water in the area?

What is the Strontium 90 reading?

What are the Americium isotope ratios?

What are the Curium isotope ratios?

Has a Xenon isotope ratio been established?

The ratio of Berkelium isotopes would be useful though that is more about their short half life and decay path to Californium so what amount has been found?

Have any Californium isotopes been found?

What are the Plutonium, uranium, thorium and cobalt levels?

Without the isotope analysis and soil assays the people who are dealing with the incident do not know what the status of the reactors or the fuel pools are. Heck reactor No. 3 might have blown its core out in the explosion and without those isotope and soil assays we just don't know.

If as some scientists are beginning to suspect the stuff we saw blown into the air in the Reactor No.3 explosion was the drywell dome and the concrete pads that cover it. Then we are are already well past Chernobyl for we have had Plutonium Core explosion.

The reason this is being mooted is because of the difference in the two explosions shown in these two videos.

Reactor No.1 Explosion:

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A typical hydrogen gas explosion, a fast, clean shock wave and lots of flash.

The more concerning Reactor No.3 explosion:

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Not at all like a typical gas air explosion Slow and very mucky. A hydrogen burn off to the right which makes no sense what so ever. It would require two different pressure zones, or as if two different explosive substances or actions were at play. Then there is the whole rising mucky fireball effect, hydrogen just does not do that. It is very very odd.

If that was the plutonium core exploding then we are looking at plutonium and transuranic oxides being scattered high into the atmosphere and carried on the wind for some considerable distance.

As a consequence people AROUND THE WORLD could be being exposed to massive alpha emitter fallout that would not even turn up on a standard Geiger counter.

Like the various experts around the world and from the IAEA I am very disturbed that the soil assays and Isotope analysis is being held back.

When people from the IAEA and the US NRC are saying it is disturbing we should all take a closer look at this.

TEPCO and the Japanese Government have a history of holding back bad news

TEPCO and Japanese Government kept back information on how severe Gama radiation levels were until independent monitoring by Greenpeace and others forced their hand. And only then raised the incident level. This was confirmed today:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/T110413005584.htm

People outside the FEZ recieved doses 15 Times the Annual Limit in just 24 hours.

It is like pulling teeth; information TEPCO and the Japanese Government, clearly had from the start, shows that people living outside the FEZ received dosages in 24 hours that were 15 X the ANNUAL limit. http://www.mext.go.jp/component/english/__icsFiles/afieldfile/2011/04/13/1304271_041310.pdf

This is clearly information that came from the monitors that are part of the Governments official "-Realtime radiation data collected via the System for Prediction of Environment Emergency Dose Information(SPEEDI)" the real time data it was supposed to show in an emergency that was and still is being censored from the Government site:

http://www.bousai.ne.jp/eng/

no longer speedy it is slowy, long after you got dose-y in fact.

Only released because Greenpeace and other indepedent monitors were about to release the data.

This and other readings that are now coming out, a month late, are what caused TEPCO and the Japanese Government to be dragged kicking and screaming to be made to anounce the Disaster was realy a Level 7.

What more are they hiding?

I can not see why the Missing Incident Isotope Analysis and Soil Assay information is being held back.

walker

Edited April 13, 2011 by walker

[walker 0]

Hi all

Fish around the coast of Fukushima have been found to have 25 X the legal limit of radioactive cesium. This one isotope alone will affect the region for centuries.

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110414p2g00m0dm006000c.html

And we still have no data for the more dangerous Alpha and Beta emitters like Plutonium.

There is increasing evidence that a full scale melt down at one or more of the reactors has taken place. Radiation levels in groundwater at Fukushima continue to rise and are now 10 X the the last reading:

http://www.istockanalyst.com/business/news/5061503/radiation-level-of-groundwater-up-10-fold-at-troubled-nuke-plant-media

The President of TEPCO now out from under the covers of his private hospital bed is having a news conference.

http://www.shimbun.denki.or.jp/en/news/20110415_01.html

The Japanese government has instructed TEPCO to pay compensation to those evacuated due to radiation levels around the plant that have created an expanding FEZ.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/15/japan-fukushima-nuclear-evacuees-compensation

The amount per evacuee would not even cover a month of the TEPCO presidents private hospital bill.

Like every other country in the west if Nuclear accident happens the reality is that the insurance and captial of company runing a nuclear power plant can never cover the costs of a nuclear incedent. So the reality is that the Japanese Tax Payer will have to pick up the tab for these people to be re-homed, as to their businesses and livelihoods the court cases are likely to drag on for decades. The over all cost is expected to be two to three Trillion dollars.

In the US now there is an increasing Tax Payer movement to have this government bailout scheme removed in the next budget it is causing an increasing division between the old guard republicans and Tea party activists who want all such government bailouts and subsidies removed.

Walker

Edited April 15, 2011 by walker

[mrcash2009 0]

As regards the question of "where now for nuclear" people "might" be interested in some background of why and wherefores .. dont slam me for posting this, check it out, make up your views then check further from it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxqP8Kj0CvI

I expect most will laugh at this, which wont surprise me in the slightest. The first half is the point, the second part is something you have to take as you find, as we are all adults I would expect the thread to stay civilised (holds breath).

Edited April 15, 2011 by mrcash2009

[Zipper5 74]

I stopped watching when the title card saying "Now do you understand just a small portion of the sabotage of Fukushima?"

The only reason people make these videos is to get attention. Bad attention is better than none.

[mrcash2009 0]

The only reason people make these videos is to get attention. Bad attention is better than none.

And you are fully aware that is a fact for this and its all wrong?

I stopped watching when the title card saying "Now do you understand just a small portion of the sabotage of Fukushima?"

So you didn't watch it then ... so how can you say?

Your entitled to see it that way, I notice you shut down pretty fast (pun not intended). Might be worth taking some of this on board, there is allot of info within this regardless of views on its reasons, news links, groups mentioned, we are in a large political game at the moment and most definitely in the nuclear arena, some of it you might want to ignore, granted, but its worthy checking for the links and groups mentioned in the first segment (first half) as regards the politics of it, search it out look out about, google "Stuxnet".

Chew on the meat and spit out the bones, not everything is absolute B.S. I wouldn't post it if it was all pure non logical crap, some of it might be heavy on the angles but that's just personal view, the links and info from it are the point realy. Its relevant to this whole subject that's for sure.

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Edited April 15, 2011 by mrcash2009

[walker 0]

Hi all

An Iodine spike has been observed at Fukushima, this seems to indicate either additional holes in the containment and another fire at the plant or additional fission events at the plant escaping through the existing gaps in containment.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110417n1.html

It may also have been caused by a cooling lapse in the deadly No. 4 Irradiated Fuel Pool, a problem that has beset the plant since the beginning and is the biggest danger in all western nuclear plants:

http://www.globalsecuritynewswire.org/gsn/nw_20110414_5466.php

Meanwhile, despite all known surface and man made underground routes within the plant having been plugged:

http://www.bellona.org/articles/articles_2011/leak_stopped

Radiation levels out at sea continue to rise. This supports the conclusion I and others have been pointing out for some time now; that one or more of the reactors has achieved a full melt down and has burned its way down through the reactor containment floor, China Syndrome style, in to the bedrock and is irradiating groundwater that is then flowing into the sea.

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/radioactivity-rises-in-sea-off-japan/story-e6frfku0-1226040297903

At first it was supposed that the spike in radiation at sea was caused by installation of a new barrier and that the increase was due to a leak during the transition but subsequent measurements show even higher readings both within and outside the barrier.

Additional problems are being caused by the water used in cooling the reactors and irradiated fuel storage is becoming dangerously over irradiated.

http://www.edie.net/news/news_story.asp?id=19785&channel=0&title=Japanese+contamination+fears+rise+over+reactor+water+cooling

The dangers of tritiated water multi-fold and the cause of more nuclear accidents than any other source:

http://chris-winter.com/Digressions/Nuke-Goofs/Goof-Refs.html

I wonder what the dangers of prompt criticality are in concentrated Tritiated water? Both if it comes into contact with irradiated fuel rods and other nuclear materials if the Tritium content of the water becomes sufficiently concentrated?

We know that untrained labourers are being used to body bank the plant on high wages if one of them got told to connect a hose somewhere in an emergency! What would happen if some fool pumped the heavily tritiated water in to one of the irradiated fuel storage tanks, in a desperate attempt to cool it; say in a fire?

Bwwwrrrrr!

Visions of a vast supercritical open air CANDU reactor spring horribly to mind.

I hope some one is putting appropriate stickers, padlocks and guards on the stop cocks of the heavily tritiated water ponds.

Regards walker

Edited April 18, 2011 by walker

[Rovka 14]

Well I am certain of one thing: If it cán go wrong, it wíll go wrong... I also do hope they take good precautions, otherwise nuclear hell breaks loose, if it hasn't done so already...

This is excactly where profit-priority and money-milking leads to. Nothing humane or kind about such evil whatsoever.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Seems like they are aware of the danger and moving the highly tritiated water out of the plant.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/04/tepco-starts-pumping-extremely-radioactive-water-from-fukushima/

They are also looking to filter out the highly tritiated water

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110419-703736.html

A major question is: how come the highly iradiated water exist in the first place; as unless the containment is very seriously breached and reactors or irradiated fuel pools are critical nothing like this level of irradiated water should be occuring?

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Plans_for_fukushima_basement_pumping_.html

This also ties in with the very high radiation readings within parts of the plant that during normal operation would not see anything like these levels of radiation.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/robot-findings-cast-doubt-on-plan-for-reactors-20110419-1dnhq.html

Regards walker

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

STUXNET is definitely a possibility in case of Fukushima-1, it can do infinite loops of action executions on programmable logic controllers, and you could, theoretically, disable pumps, servos and other mechanical equipment at the plant. Only a few insiders would know of its true capabilities, not that it should matter, since the populace is docile and ignorant of reality that transpires before them - like cattle lead to slaughter.

There's been a news blackout in relation to radioactive release via aerial means.

I am walking on razor; surfing on the wave of destruction; diving into the pool of poison, only to come out alive and I'm loving it.

Addendum: Of relevance - http://rothkopf.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/17/where_fukushima_meets_stuxnet_the_growing_threat_of_cyber_war

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Please excuse me, if it offends anyone, when I refer to the sleeping masses as cattle, for I do so with my best intention in the quest for truth. You see, throughout history people have always been either uneducated & passive, reactionary and educated, or all of the above at various periods of times, which presented the rulers of said peoples with an impregnable wall of ignorance, when confronted with matter of simple flow of trade & treaties between nations.

Don't worry if you can't understand anything in the current situation, you'll be guided through the valley, though, no one can guarantee, that it will be painless journey.

Edited April 20, 2011 by Iroquois Pliskin

[thomas c 0]

Saw this and thought about the news blackout'

http://youtu.be/TMXvpWoHzeE