Hacking is getting worse

[Hud Dorph 22]

The Arma2 multiplay is beginning to be a joke with open servers. BIS pls consider to concentrate all your efforts to put an end to the hacking going on. Lately hackers ruin all public gaming with admins helplesly left in the dark with little or no chance of finding out who is responsible for the shit going on, wonder how many innocent players has been banned from servers by admins blindly tying to enforce law and order. Im on the edge to close down my server as i have no or little chance to detect who is hacking the server. Within the last 3 weeks hackers look by the server several times each day and more and more are comming. If public play in arma shall have a future something must be done.

[Zipper5 74]

Well, until improvements are made, do you have signature check enabled on your server? BattlEye too, and banning BE GUIDs? You could also check for fake IDs which are synonymous with pirated copies, or people changing them because their IDs have been banned on certain servers. I believe you can tell they're fake if they're over 10 digits? Or has that since changed since the days of ArmA?

Man, where's Doolittle when you need him. :p

Unfortunately I'm not sure how much BIS can do with this. They most certainly aren't going to limit scripting in Arma 2, and they already have BattlEye. Really, all I could see them doing is switching to Punkbuster, but will that really have much of a gain?

Frankly, I don't know why hackers troll Arma 2 when newly released games like BFBC2: Vietnam are "ripe for the picking"...

[Hud Dorph 22]

Yes i have sig-check and battleye on and i also ban/kick by GUID im afraid its of no use at the moment. Also been scanning through my log for suspicious id's with no luck:(

Edited December 27, 2010 by [HUD]Dorph

[BigMorgan 11]

Last "hacker" we had in our server didn't raise his head again after a BE GUID ban.

Calling these people hackers only flatters them, they're nothing more than pathetic script kiddies. It's a back and forth struggle between the actual hackers writing these script suites and the BE devs, and it seems like right now the hackers have taken a slight step forward. Hopefully things can be balanced out again soon.

[helo 10]

GUID bans is something they can´t bypass easily and will prevent them from joining your server unless they connect with a "false GUI".

[Macadam Cow 1]

Damn, I didn't know what was BE GUID so I did a small google search and find about that *** forum most of you probably already knows

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Re: Hahaha! I banned alot of people off of TCG and HG!!!

« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2010, 01:11:18 AM »

Haha, that was fun! I banned people with reasons like "hacker" and "be detecdts hax" lol. Now I would like to see them try to get unbanned!

Person: Hey admin, can you unban me?

Admin: How you get banned?

Person: Idk!

Admin:Ha! It says you were banned for hacking!

Person: nuh uh~!!!111

Admin: FAIL

OWNED! HAHAHAHAH!

Those people diserve to suffer sooooo much, all they like is ruin the fun others can have. How can you be such a moron ? honestly someone have a clue ?

I just don't get it.

Edited December 27, 2010 by Macadam Cow

[flashburn 0]

I was called a "smacktard hacker" the other day and kicked off a server. Have no idea why. Thats what kills me, you have these lil arse hats running around doing stupid stuff in a game and it boils over into some sort of wierd paranoia on the part of admins. Next thing you know, no public multi player anymore. I guess I should be flattered that I am a "smacktard hacker" since i dont play with any mods and am a firm believer in the use of BE. But its always been a problem since ofp, but BE did help, at least for a bit.

I guess my whole point is; please server admin type guys, be careful about banning/kicking folks. It does nearly as much damage to the multi community as the handfull clowns who are running silly scripts on your servers.

[Defunkt 431]

Nothing rewards these prats more than coming here and reading all your trembly-lip posts about their exploits. If you've got useful information PM it to a server-op or developer, if you just want to have a cry please do so in private.

[spektre76 10]

They should make this game like alchohol....sell to 21 and up. I know there are those of you in here much younger than that and actually respect the game so no disrespect intended. This 'game' is based off the actual simulator VBS. So, it baffles me why these choad swallowers want to even try to do this. It ain't HALO and you dont get prestige or special gamer card icons. I have uninstalled MW2 and Black Ops is on the chopping block as well because of these idiots.

BigMorgan hit the nail on the head though. Calling these c_mdumpsters 'hackers' only flatters them and furthers the antagnization of honest players. I think the only true way to solve this problem is to have the local content stored on the BIS servers. Our DVD should only act as a key to access the game. Then they can even have a security dongle that hooks up to your USB with a unique ID transmitter that scans your DOS promt and processes looking for 'illicit' activity.

There is a program called 'SignLab' that uses this feature to guard against piracy.

:mad:

Edited December 27, 2010 by SPEKTRE76

[vilas 473]

They should make this game like alchohol....sell to 21 and up. I know there are those of you in here much younger than that and actually respect the game so no disrespect intended. This 'game' is based off the actual simulator VBS. So, it baffles me why these choad swallowers want to even try to do this. It ain't HALO and you dont get prestige or special gamer card icons. I have uninstalled MW2 and Black Ops is on the chopping block as well because of these idiots.

:mad:

i agree

and we would not than had so much 13-15 y.o. who demand new DLC every day and f* free addons & realism and destroy all what made OFP great = mature military players , not CoD fat no-live kids

better graphics made this game competition to new titles, so more studid hollywood-rambo kids we have here (with all their philosophy)

community changed since OFP, it is sure , from most creative people turned to "i want dlc, yeah, huh and great sound, lol, wtf"

Spektre you call for OFP community, which was other (even if in OFP there were 17 y.o. , but they were unique wise mature individuals, not CoD-kids)

i know one ex-OFP mature player(he never moaned about sounds or graphics, for Him it was important historic realism in equipment) who now has doctor's degree from history , another ex OFP player i know is lawyer making historical reenactments (guy is ca. 40, learns civil law in university, works for free in one museum too) we planned one historical mod (Warsaw uprising 1944) , another OFP player i know is geologist with phD etc.

nowadays newcomers are too dumb to install addon, old community members have ph.D, makes difference

the more cinematic (awsome graphic effects, sounds, more modern ultra-hyper weapons) will be Arma, the more CoD kids will come instead of mature (ex-military, retired, police, disabled or simply mil-sim lovers and even historicians ) players

even OFP players which are in conflict with me are also very high IQ persons , they are not CoD-kids, opposite to some (not all) of newcomers who only watch rambo-MW things , they not watch "Where Eagles Dare" or "Guns of Navarone"

old poor graphics caused that only mil-sim fans were here

community changed, thats why on open servers you have such situations, simply join any clan

there is a lot of clans in this community, they have unique addon packs etc.

Edited December 27, 2010 by vilas

[Nutlink 10]

Really? Any chance to bash DLC and promote add-ons while throwing around stereotypes, even when it's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Thread derailed!

Back to the topic at hand, I haven't really noticed an increase in hackers. But I rarely play on the popular missions on public servers (ie Domination, Warfare, Evolution), so maybe that's why.

[vilas 473]

you don't understand ?

it is matter of community members, not BIS work

BIS did game, but hackers or whatever "kill yeah lol" kids is matter of new community not matter of any coding work

when community was othere, there was other type of gameplay on servers

Spektre told very true thing

this game is rated 17 (in my country) but i know 13, 14 y.o. making problems here in past

why ?

parents bought kid game for mature players

kid wanna be rambo-hero and act like idiot going to server for "kill some, shoot some, yeaaaaa, lol, hugh hugh, yeaaaa"

it has very big correlation between community and nature of players (own creativity and 100 mods (including dinosaurs, lego warriors, 1863 US civil war, Rambo-mod, Japan ancient warriors mod, great Russian addonmaking scene with highest quality, people making fantastic mods like FDF did with music of Airut, DaVinci auto-gyro, air baloon with PK etc. ) like in OFP era 2002-2007, or ... "i wanna DLC of something released year ago, i wanna new version of the same already done thing, cause downloading porn on torrent won't allow me download addon pack cause it is complicated and doesn't have self extractor installer "

who hacks and make problems in MP ? UFO ? Martians ? or our fellows here ?

Edited December 27, 2010 by vilas

[xeno 230]

No matter how often you will write it, vilas, the so called hacking has nothing to do with what you call COD kids or with changes in the community.

It happens in every online game and afaik it happened already in OFP.

The problem can only be solved by BIS (though I'm sure they'll catch up again sooner or later once something has changed).

Xeno

[vilas 473]

but if there are mature players , they not hack servers , right ?

they play for fun, not to spoil other person's fun , right ?

what can BIS do to avoid it ? BIS not make someone act nice or bad

many people play in clans and there they trust each other

[Osku 0]

I've thought that this game isn't playable online with pirated/changed IDs at all, unlike OFP was. If it really is so, then banning will be ineffective. Maybe it would be good to have some proper ID check everytime you go multiplayer. Just like in many other popular games, you have to create online account, verify product key, and so on.

[[aps]gnat 28]

The problem can only be solved by BIS

Thats BS, its not JUST BIS's problem.

Both admins and players need to be involved.

Admins more aware and what can be done to both protect and detect, and players have to be more open and vigilant.

Others need to find the fool tools and ensure backdoors are slammed shut.

And having every server locked to the public is not a solution either. A growing community never comes from that.

A great MP community doesnt just happen or evolve because a developer came up with a unbreakable MP code.

It happens because everyone contributes properly.

[Evil_Echo 11]

Especially with youtube advertising the cracked versions. Sad they are not more pro-active in policing what is posted.

In regard to cheaters - it's not just BIS, the server admins need to clamp down and secure their machines. If they don't use the tools at hand then they'll get pwned and deservedly so. If you don't want to have your house robbed you take measures to secure it - whining about losing your tv if you left the door unlocked does not create a lot of sympathy.

[Arska134 10]

Yup we got one too today. First he taked form of enemy scout and killed everyone god mode on. Can't ban. When i kicked him he came back and logged me off from admin and banned me. We had to close server. Please help.

[duffbeeer 10]

Same here when playing Warfare BE 2.066 wihtout ACE. There are only 2 - 3 Servers running it without ACE, so this is really annyoying because i cant set up a server myself. Cheater had some MSN v8.1 script running on the server putting up chat messages. He then destroyed the BLUFOR HQ with 100 Bombs on it. Game over. Great stuff.

EDIT: i wouldnt call them Hackers. Theyre just cheaters wihtout balls.

[Hud Dorph 22]

In regard to cheaters - it's not just BIS, the server admins need to clamp down and secure their machines.

This has nothing to do with server admins to secure their machines. Most dedicated servers are rented hosted servers and admins have not much to do with the security. Further as i understand it is the arma code that has ben compromised and only bis can do anything about that. When that said the server admins are the ones that shall do the work of keeping an eye on whats going on at their servers, and take the steps necesarry.

[hellfire257 3]

When you have an easily moddable game you are bound to have people who abuse it. There is a trade off that has to be met.

Modability -/- Ease of abuse

[Evil_Echo 11]

Dorph;1821599']This has nothing to do with server admins to secure their machines. Most dedicated servers are rented hosted servers and admins have not much to do with the security. Further as i understand it is the arma code that has ben compromised and only bis can do anything about that. When that said the server admins are the ones that shall do the work of keeping an eye on whats going on at their servers' date=' and take the steps necesarry.[/quote']

It absolutely does have to do with server admins. Just because you rent does not excuse you from securing your site to the best level you can. If the host site prevents you from doing that then they are guilty of aiding the hackers. Get your money back and find a better host.

When you have an easily moddable game you are bound to have people who abuse it. There is a trade off that has to be met.

Modability -/- Ease of abuse

Ease of modding does not necessarily mean loose security. The reverse argument is definitely true.

You need good security built in, good security tools to manage, AND a admin that is takes responsibility for their site and does their best to make it secure.

Anytime I see a sloppy site, it's laced with cheaters. It gets added to my do-not-visit list. If the admins are clueless or don't care I take my game elsewhere where the people do care about making ArmA2 a good experience. If more people did the same, then you'd see the bad sites die off and good riddance to them all.

[Sleep 10]

Had one the other night come on, immediately he tried to vote kick people using a macro (we have voting turned off) and right after the server crashed.

Logged him, banned his ip. Seems they love popular non modded servers the best:cool:

[nuxil 2]

Hacks does no only occure on servers that are ""missconfigured""

enabling verify signature, etc etc does not always protect you againt hacks & cheats.

there are hacks that bypass the bis signature system.

there are 2 main problem with arma X regarding security issues.

1* The bis signature system has been broken.

2* Ingame arma admin interface can be abused

Anyone with a little scripting knowlege can make a mod cheat easly. and get it to work on a server that is ""missconfigured"".

in thise cases. its usaly because the admin lacks knowlege on howto setup a proper server.

but there are cases where a signatur faker has been used and BE has not "spoted" it.

a hacker can then abuse the admin interface / send script commands etc etc on the proper setup server.

this is the type of hacker that also usaly changes his ID. so baning the id with the arma interface is no good.

altho bis is fully aware of this. and i do think they are working on a solution. but i dont think we will see any fix for this game.

in my opinion they should remove the curent admin system and replace with with a ingame Be admin interface instead.

if they did that it would be harder to abuse admin commands. also the possibility to have several admins online at the same time.

altho we would probeally still have problems with hacks fakeing signatures.

but they would only be able to fuck up the mission. not ban players, shutdown server etc etc.

i see this problem with more and more hacks apparing as a bis problem.

the longer they use to come up with a solution. more people will leave mp gaming.

also that it will not get many more new players replacing the ones that left.

but i have the feeling that security isnt 1st pri with the developers.

best way to avoid hackers find a clan and play on a locked server.

casual public playing isnt any fun at the moment with the current state the game is in.

[W0lle 1042]

altho bis is fully aware of this. and i do think they are working on a solution. but i dont think we will see any fix for this game.

...

but i have the feeling that security isnt 1st pri with the developers.

It's good that you know what BIS is working on and how long they need for it.

You also seem to have good knowledge what their priorities are.

Hats off, I envy you cause I don't have such a deep insight view.

And yes, it's always BIS' problem - always.

:rolleyes: