So Some guy in My town got arrested

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LMAO.

No mate they are not taking bribes.

On that occasion...

They had been in the neighbouring village dealing with a school child who had been recieving threatening text messages on his mobile phone from another school child.

I live in a big house Vilas old boy. A lot of people, deep down in their hearts, think I deserve to be robbed. Think it doesn't matter. That I can claim on insurance etc.

They just don't care.

They look at me and they instantly feel more sorry for anyone who robs me. People are like that.

More recently on my last incident the police were parked next to my car in my drive when it was robbed.

The time before they were on one side of my house talking to my parents and the vandals/burglars who had threatend my 85 year old father with violence... were breaking into my barns on the otherside. (Where they soon were to meet me. And my gun).

In both those incidents, they were facing 1,000 gypsies. They simply were too afraid to confront them.

Cowards. That is all.

They had told the whole village not to look any of them in the eye. To avoid any confrontation etc.

They knew that if they got involved they would not only be at personal risk, but that the gypsies would accuse them of all sorts of violations, racism and crimes and then disappear. So they didn't want to get involved.

Too much trouble for them.

I of course didn't have that choice.

Those criminals know that police won't intervene. So they can do what they like. But now they know that I will. So they have all left. Off to find a softer target I expect.

Long after all this was resolved and the Police gave me back my guns, I went to the firearms dept to give them all a box of chocolates to show that I harboured no bad feeling towards them for all the crap they put me through....

They refused to accept them because it could have been construed as bribery. Not much corruption in the police force here. Not much policing either of course, but not much corruption.

Edited December 28, 2010 by Baff1

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than why on youtube i see movies "my 4 y.o. son and automatic RPD" ? i have seen so many "full auto STG44, RPD, M60" and even .50 Barret in happytrigger's hands , are they not real ? ?

New machine-guns in the US are still legal for purchase by the military and by governmental agencies, including civilian law enforcement; pre-1986 registered machine-guns are available to private citizens with federal registration (where permitted by state law. (((wiki)))

Federal registration is a pain in the ass and cost alot of money. Its not as easy to get an automatic as you think.

You can't just walk into walmart/gun store and find an automatic either. it varies by state too. In Texas they only do a criminal background check.

[vilas 473]

in case of Baff case i know where is problem :( "political correctness" in Europe, i hope more Sarkozys will fix problem, i hope, but hope is not enough , in our countries we have the same problem with the same group of people which rob not only you,

shame that some of them are called with our name of countries (East Europe countries names are used when they make criminal act in West Europe )

but it is "danger area on public"

[Tonci87 163]

Well Vilas I was told how to aim fire and maintain AK-47 and Pistols when I was at the age of 7 (but well this is what happens when you go make holidays in a war zone....)

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Savers understand how the bank makes money by lending out their savings.

Thats why they get paid intrest on their savings. Banks keep reserves so that they have enough money on hand to repay an individual saver at time.

Unless it goes wrong as it did with a handful of banks recently.

I never stated that they don't is it? this is how the conversation opened up

Originally Posted by Dosenmais

So let me explain. A bank this times has nothing to do with Money. Its about credit. Credit is no money, because a credit can creat by nothing.

No. Credit can not be created by nothing.

Credit is created by moving money from one person to another. A person with money, lends it to a person without money.

Usually for a small fee which is where the profit part comes in.

Like said, i did not agreed on the fact that you stated that credits can not be created by nothing! Now i feel that you are side stepping from that point, you literally saying that i am a dumb ass :rolleyes:

it is already proven that money does not exists witch pointed to the fact you said that credits are not created out of nothing. They where and they still are doing it!

dailyreckoning

Walstreet guardian

reformation

Disclose

still on this point: you are only trying to say that i am a dumb ass that does not know what he is talking about, in fact you said that i can't back it up well i just did! so now you own me in debt :D

I don't recall anywhere that i said something about savings or contribute towards society or not wanting to, because i do so every day! you turned the conversation that way where you claim that i don't! just like you know me enough to prove a point that is not even there, you even claimed that i cant back it up.

and i do back it up! the money does not exist if the bubble bursts the only thing they can do is rebuild the bubble and recreate what was destroyed and start over again, and thats exactly what they are doing. I also never said anywhere that the banks are not using real money i said it does not exist for real!

The Mint! <- provided by the government (the ones that press the bills and the coins) are providing us with real money from real gold and silver, but only to a certain point. This is a proven fact! The banks provide us with money out of the vault that is putted there by the savers in small amounts, most of the money exist by digital numbers or on paper or is a substitute for the real thing that does not! you guessed it Exist.

the bank does not own enough money to back it all up like you said, and don't say the interests, hah what a joke, i already said it and i hate repeating but special for you, if THE SAVERS go to the bank on the same moment and withdraw all our savings then they will have a lot of problems, the investors will pull back and the system will colapse once again, so does the bank own existing money? NO! or ah well i will give it a little :p

By law (and here we come to the point where the fraud is legalized but its a bit wider then only this part) in fact the banks need to provide us with a safety, like binkster pointed out well, but a lot of banks lost this safety measures! the system was shaking on its foundation and the bubble bursted, by law your personal savings need to be protected by the government mine where to, but my bigger investments where not calculated i lost those and i did not had the nerves to start over again.

You claim that they where only small banks? well in my book the national bank here is not that small, also the banks that went bankrupt here where not small players on the marked aether, and the banks that where saved by governments tax money well those banks where not small aether and one of the 4 biggest banks walstreet became under fire ....

in the end the money needs to be in constant movement as long this is manageable then we wont have any problems its like a vicious circle, like this discussion.

New machine-guns in the US are still legal for purchase by the military and by governmental agencies, including civilian law enforcement; pre-1986 registered machine-guns are available to private citizens with federal registration (where permitted by state law. (((wiki)))

Federal registration is a pain in the ass and cost alot of money. Its not as easy to get an automatic as you think.

You can't just walk into walmart/gun store and find an automatic either. it varies by state too. In Texas they only do a criminal background check.

is it possible that the media is a little bit responsible to make it believe that it is easy to get one?

regards

Edited December 28, 2010 by KBourne
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Possibly but I'm sure weapons exist on the black market. I think someone like myself would have a hard time finding an illegal weapon to buy. Who knows!!! Hell, the media is getting as bad as politicians and lawyers in my book.

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Possibly but I'm sure weapons exist on the black market. I think someone like myself would have a hard time finding an illegal weapon to buy. Who knows!!! Hell, the media is getting as bad as politicians and lawyers in my book.

yeah most likely they do exsist, well i think media is a little tool for politicians i guess. luckely i don't see a lot of television :cool:

[Dosenmais 10]

i hope more Sarkozys will fix problem, i hope,

Do you thing an Gangster like Sarkozy do care about People like you?

You need no Police State Puppets like these hungary jew if you can help yourself.

Oh you didn't know that Sarkozy isn't even a French? But it dosn't matter which country he orginal come from or which religiose group he belongs to, there is no such scales for criminals.

You have problems with criminal gipsy gangs? Grap a Gun and deal with them. But if you will hope for more people like these Sarkozy Gangster Scum, you get just bigger problems. You will get an bloated, corrupt police force that cost tax money and can not protect you 24 Hours a day. And do you forget, that these people let the criminality grown up before, to sell there soltions, what means more controll?

Better have 100 criminal gipsy families around than one Sarkozy and his brood.

i want to believe they legalized this system with good reason.

Yeah, you want to believe. You want to believe the illusion, because that is some kind of self protection thinking. Other Way you must faceing, that we are all in big trouble. So you wanna belive that this exploitation is for fixing some problems, but the system is the problem. Exploitation is the purpose. The financial crisis isn't some kind of temporary problem, its the purpose of these system.

But there is no need for these kind of money System.

thats why i said they need stronger and better rules to control the banks a bit better.

So listen. They would enforce these "stronger and better" laws against the Gangster Bankster like Rockefeller and Warburg, they would enforce these laws against your local Bank. They wanna destroy there competition.

And how you think will pay this commi tobin tax? Not the big Banks, not people like David Rockefeller, but people like you and me that try to rescure there savings.

Look around you. Which people are finance ministers worldwide? People from the Banking system. Do you think these guys would enforce "stronger and better" laws against the richest Gang around? When the Gouvernment itself has high dept by these banks.

Everytime the Media blame some low level Bankster for problems in the financial sector, people screaming for the strong gouvernment, the iron fist and socialism. And this is the Mindfuck in this hole phony debate. Because these sides have the same interests.

The gouvernment wants more power for itself and the mega banks wanna destroy there competition.

but people who are giving 6 , 4 or 7 y.o. full auto AK are not responsible parrents for sure

Kids that are trained to use a gun have a much less chance to make failures and kill themself. Most Kids that are trained to use a gun shooting even better than the police.

Learn kids to use a gun is the best way to teach them responsible behavior.

Banks "creating credit" is a conspiracy theory. Nothing more.

"its a conspiracy theory, its conspiracy theory and making jokes about little green men".

Yeah, yeah. Enjoy the financial gangrape.

Like KBourne said, its a proven fact.

So read a book about central banking or screw yourself. But don't tell me i'am telling "conspiracy theorys" if you had no damn idea how things working.

Some of your people have disconcerting less knowledge about the real world.

Edited December 29, 2010 by Dosenmais

[vilas 473]

Better have 100 criminal gipsy families around than one Sarkozy and his brood.

bullshit, you cannot take a gun and shoot everyone, cause they will shoot you first or you will go to jail for murder, i lived in town when there were gypsys, i traveled to city where there were gypsys, there were only burglaries, thieves and problems ,

it is a state's duty to clean streets of cities, not citizen's duty

Learn kids to use a gun is the best way to teach them responsible behavior.

in many countries such parent would loose right to child by court, if he gives killing machine to hand of 5 y.o., gun can kill and child should not have right to touch it

[VanhA-ICON 11]

in many countries such parent would loose right to child by court, if he gives killing machine to hand of 5 y.o., gun can kill and child should not have right to touch it

This.

I love guns but I don't own any.

I would never allow a firearm at my home where my soon to be 5 year old son would even accidentally have access to it.

Guns are for wars only (police excluded) and if there is need to have them in house for protection then something in the system has failed badly.

..Funny how these weapon related threads always turn into this debate

:j:

[max power 21]

Did you just call me a coward for not wanting to live in an area where people drive trucks into houses? LOL. The cost alone of putting up with that shit is not worth it.

...or maybe it's just us people here in the civilized world who live lives worth preserving.

Edited December 29, 2010 by Max Power

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New machine-guns in the US are still legal for purchase by the military and by governmental agencies, including civilian law enforcement; pre-1986 registered machine-guns are available to private citizens with federal registration (where permitted by state law. (((wiki)))

Federal registration is a pain in the ass and cost alot of money. Its not as easy to get an automatic as you think.

I wish I could have the same 'pain in the ass' :rolleyes:

[Dosenmais 10]

bullshit, you cannot take a gun and shoot everyone, cause they will shoot you first or you will go to jail for murder, i lived in town when there were gypsys, i traveled to city where there were gypsys, there were only burglaries, thieves and problems ,

it is a state's duty to clean streets of cities, not citizen's duty

don't get into these hegel attitude.

I never talk about shooting everyone, i'am talking about shooting criminals. Because that is what Man do to bad people in all ages. But now, People forgott how bad, how evil and dangerous criminality can become if there is no man with guts, no man with heart to stop them.

Like Patrick Henry said in June 1788:

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.

Only force can preserve liberty.

And let me tell a short story. Some friend of mine went to spain for some weeks, live in some mountain village, and there were gypsys around. On one day, those gypsy lunatics shoot a horse that was owned by on of the villagers just for fun. Total out of controll psychos.

If you don't stop these luns, nobody does. You can't count on an corrupt police force, you can't count on gangsters like Sarkozy.

in many countries such parent would loose right to child by court,

Yeah, because many countries have tyrannical gouvernments that are ruled by gangsters.

gun can kill and child should not have right to touch it

You can teach that your own kids, but i do not. I would teach them how to use a gun and i would be very proud of it, if they became responsible People that have the guts to use this Gun in self the defence to protect themself or others.

Guns are for wars only (police excluded) and if there is need to have them in house for protection then something in the system has failed badly.

Wake up Kid! The Police can not protect you 24 Hours a day. Everytime in human history there were criminals.

You sould tell your stupid "guns are for war" Story that Crackhead that breaks into your home, because its the same story that the Nazis told the austrian pupils in school.

Guns are just for Soldiers, guns are just for Soldiers, guns are just for Soliders. Soldiers that are payed and controlled by the gouvernment.

Federal registration is a pain in the ass and cost alot of money.

Yeah, and than the Gouvernment knows who own guns and can collect them. Like it happen during Catrina in New Orleans.

The coward military wouldn't fight the Gangs, but they go in dry areas and confiscate Guns. Sometimes guns that were heirlooms for many generations, and they have not give them back.

Edited December 29, 2010 by Dosenmais

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Wake up Kid!

Ty for that compliment. (41)

:)

I'm just simply saying that we do not have a perfect society here in Finland either but at least I have no need for a gun at home. I'm kinda saddened by the fact that you do.

Plus that constant combination of government controlled bad military sounds awful lot like a militia talk to me..

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Plus that constant combination of government controlled bad military sounds awful lot like a militia talk to me..

So let me guess. The television showed you fake Militia groups like these Hutare Hillbillys and told you, that this is a Militia. Hidding in the Woods, hording Guns and talk about "the gouvernment is bad" and other Project 7 likley stuff.

But you never ever read the secound amendment.

Yeah, they show you hillbillys playing war, but they will never show you Bob Fletcher or what he talks about since 20 years.

I'm kinda saddened by the fact that you do.

Ouh its so sad. Buhuhu. :rolleyes: Thats life! Life isn't easy, life isn't a playground. Hard times create man and easy times will createt weak, fat and lazy cowards.

By the way. When you say that guns are "just for war", did you ever face the fact that there is no war the civilians were not involved. There is no detachment between Military and Civilians if it comes to war. And you be better a part of the militia, what you automaticly are as US Citizen, than being inforced into a war draft.

Hey, how the finnish defend the russians? With "i need no gun" talk?

[VanhA-ICON 11]

Hey, how the finnish defend the russians? With "i need no gun" talk?

That ended in 1944. Time to move on.

;)

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That ended in 1944. Time to move on.

;)

are you sure? maybe they are hiding :D comon guys don't be so serious :rolleyes:

[Baff1 0]

Did you just call me a coward for not wanting to live in an area where people drive trucks into houses? LOL. The cost alone of putting up with that shit is not worth it.

...or maybe it's just us people here in the civilized world who live lives worth preserving.

You think I'm going to give up my million pound mansion because people want to rob off me?

No chance in hell.

Really, I'd rather die.

And yes mate, if you move away from people who are robbing you rather than deal with them... I think you are a coward.

It's not just you you have to think about. There are other people in your area less able to defend themselves than you.

If you let your area go to shit, you will be moving your whole life.

If you want to live in a civilised part of the world, you have a responsability to keep it civilised. It comes at a price.

Maybe you aren't a coward, maybe you just haven't found anything yet in your life worth fighting for.

I have.

My home, my family, those are quite common motivations I believe. Everyone draws their line somewhere I suppose. That's where I have drawn mine.

Edited December 29, 2010 by Baff1

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than what about something like "white knights of christ" or other nazi-militas ? hiding in woods and "preparing for war for Christ and against Christ-killers commies" seeing enemy everywhere except swastika-tatooes religious guys ? fact that some cyco movements are armed in machineguns in forests do not give good view on USA

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I have to say that in regards to children and guns, I would rather that they are taught to use them responsably, than they are left with an act of rebellion as their only means of access to one.

Boys want guns. I would rather they got them in reward for taking on responsability than as reward for stealing their dad's keys or becoming a Gangsta.

[vilas 473]

becoming gangsta ? as i looked at my neighborhood in big city, gangsters were from some type of people:

- criminal families since generations,

- those much stronger than others who loved feel of power and for them any kind of weapon (including kitchen knife) was thing making them "i am so super",

- some minority of poor who had to steal,

- greed bastards who never had enough even they had more than others (rich families)

this is my observation from big city, district called "dangerous" and of people in "system change"

i had in my neighborhood lots of them, some of them were sons of officers of army or Militia(pre-Police), thanx to dad they felt nonpunishable and very important , everyone in block was poor, they not, they loved money so much that stole others to have even more

so i think it has nothing to do, maybe such boy with gun is more possible to be self confident "i am so powerfull, everybody on knees, i have a gun you scum" (like children of Militia or communist Army officers in my street ? )

maybe in other world it is different, i can only say for some of my streets , buy city is big, 2-3 milions

[Baff1 0]

There is always a lure towards gansta.

Gangster movies... Gangsta rap. The fashionable role models are ever present.

Or a real life lure. Easy money.

Guns can get you power and respect if you use them that way, like you see on the TV daily.

But if you are a lisenced gun owner you are scared of using them that way or they will be taken from you.

So in my mind a good parent teaches his children about guns and gets them all lisenced up at the earliest possibilty so that they have an entirely different model to base their attitudes on.

So that the same connection is only made under the heading of "entertainment". An idle fantasy rather than a practical method for achieving what you want.

That said, that feeling of power/security is always there. Keeping it in check is the responsability part.

Being conscious of the fear it can provoke in others or the physical danger it presents.

So we teach our children not to point guns at people. Where they can use them safely etc. What happens to people who do not.

Many of the people in my neighbourhood have guns. Most of the families here that I know. Country life.

I can here gunfire outside my window right now for example. It's not in anyway alarming for me. I hear it every day.

But we don't associate them with crime because we aren't criminals. That's not what legally lisenced guns get used for. (As a rule that is, lets not forget that massacres and murders do still occour).

I just feel that if left prohibited in totality, the only role models children are left with are the bad ones.

Edited December 29, 2010 by Baff1

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than what about something like "white knights of christ" or other nazi-militas ? hiding in woods and "preparing for war for Christ and against Christ-killers commies" seeing enemy everywhere except swastika-tatooes religious guys ? fact that some cyco movements are armed in machineguns in forests do not give good view on USA

Groups like this exist, but most times there are founded or controlled by the FBI. So like the Hutaree Militia:

“It is almost as if the FBI cooked up the plot and found four idiots to install as defendants.â€

Times Online : FBI ‘lured dimwits’ into terror plot

They fake these groups that the hole militia movement, (and i say it again: Every american Man is part of the Militia) and Gun owners look bad.

That ended in 1944. Time to move on.

The fight between tyranny and freedom would never end.

Edited December 29, 2010 by Dosenmais

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To get back on-topic...

That's a really nice collection that guy had, I wouldn't mind owning some of those, especially M1 Carbine. There's an AK-47 there too, but I'm kinda fed up with it. :p

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Yeah, you want to believe. You want to believe the illusion

maybe i putted it in a wrong context, i wanted to believe was more like what i meant, i wanted to believe but luckily my eyes went open.

Look around you. Which people are finance ministers worldwide? People from the Banking system. Do you think these guys would enforce "stronger and better" laws against the richest Gang around? When the Gouvernment itself has high dept by these banks.

The only thing they probably try to fix so hard is there own assets that are burning! but in the end they most likely won't fix it at all, they only can stall it till the system finally bursts again! Thats why we had to contribute it with governments money witch is our money of contributing taxes.

you said that the system is not needed, you might be right but i want to refrace it to, it was not needed then! Sadly it evolved that way! people followed to long and where blinded we need to bear in mind we also took advantage from it some how, its nothing more then normal that we will take the disadvantages of it, is it? To my understanding they constructed this system so it is needed now, but there for not needful they say it is but that does not mean it is! if the system bursts a lot of jobs will go i guess, the economy will collapse totally a lot of more people will stand without jobs, homes, food and so on. What will happen then? Anarchy, Chaos? who knows!?

They most likely will construct a new system, and this will have a new set of laws, most likely to protect there own assets again! My call or our call for better rules stronger rules will only be implemented on the people like you said not on those that runs the systems, here it is already happening, hell it is happening all over the world! we had a law here, we had some sort of bank immunity, the government had no right without any reason to check our accounts but this will stop to exist.

If people with small income suddenly buy expensive goods they will be controlled on that, the government will know the exact amount of our bank accounts and they claim they want to make sure that no one is dodging taxes, apparently this new law or added law only exists towards the regular population! not towards the government, our country is one of those where the government frauds with the tax money the peoples money, they came clean and still tried to justify it, and the trust in the governments has a big issue here because of it!

We are a country that needs new roads so badly because they are in the baddest condition of whole Europe, also badly needed is investments in company's to attract more jobs to keep the economy running here but the only thing they do is bickering how to split a election circle, or confiscating guns that where not illegal in the first place! After the weapons where confiscated the law was reformed again short after, now all of a sudden they say that these guns did not had to be confiscated, this where collector items that now are destroyed from people that held them not to harm but to collect and this people are rightfully mad about it, also laws like: you may not sell cannabis (drugs) but you can sell the seeds, or you may carry a small amount on you but if they hold you they can confiscate it on the streets! by law you may not use it on public places or even at home :o silly laws to amuse the crowd i might say :p

hell we don't even have a working government and had more elections the past few years then any other country that exist! the funny part is that every one is doing hes/her part while the government is not doing theres! but still they get payed for doing nothing! ...

when i don't do on my job what they ask me to do i will get fired, they get payed and a bonus on top of it :D lol

To get back on-topic...

That's a really nice collection that guy had, I wouldn't mind owning some of those, especially M1 Carbine. There's an AK-47 there too, but I'm kinda fed up with it. :p

Nice pick i like the M1 too its a nice rifle to have in a collection. ;)

regards

Edited December 30, 2010 by KBourne
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