The best flightsim these days!

[Spy17 1]

The best flightsim these days!

gues what...

It is OFP!

Why?

- most detailed ground graphics (trees winding roads... great for low level flight)

- you can interact with the ground forces (laser painting, combined attacks)

- there are actually people on the ground you can hunt down with your gun (if you find them)

- you can walk to your plane and get in

- you can get out and rearm your plane

- in case of emergency it is difficult to find a place to land your plane with all those ground objects

and the most important!!!

- the first flightsim ever where you can eject when hit  and fight your way back home stealing cars or...

- ...calling the rescue chopper!

(I will not come up with complaints in this post, of course as a flightsim junkie I still have one.... or maybe two )

To show you what I mean I made a little mission (strategic strike) featuring:

* The mighty A10 LGB

* A laser painted ground target

* A completely defendet island

* Viewdistance 2000 m

* Enginefailure when dammaged

* A increased chance of surviving beeing shot down

* Some nasty suprises...

* Mission ends when you report back to the major.

* Intro and two different outro´s

* No unofficial addons required.

The only problem is I have no webspace. It would be nice if somebody could upload it...

So you can still find out what I mean...

Any comments??

[advocatexxx 0]

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2002 Professional is the best consumer PC flight simulator available.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

*cough*

A flight 'simulator' is a game that strives to represent the flight characteristics and visual characteristics of an aircraft as realistically as possible. So, in these regards, OFP is, not only a bad flight simulator, but it doesnt even attempt to be a flight simulator. Now, OFP is a great game, and I enjoy flying the aircraft in it (and am damn good at it if I may say so), but I would not for one second mistake this game for a flight simulator. Longbow is a flight simulator. Il-2 is a flight simulator. Falcon 4.0 is a flight simulator. Hell, MS Flight Simulator is a flight simulator (who knew? lol). But OFP is not a flight simulator, and if it was, it certainly wouldnt be the best simulator around.

[Antichrist 0]

ComancheHokum

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Commanche Hokum is a great flight sim. Unfortunately, I have a USB joystick, and the only way to get it to work with Co/Hokum is to install a patch that makes the game massively unstable. Can anyone help me with this?

[Antichrist 0]

...... unfortunately it doesn't work on my Radeon 8500 card either, and I can't load my old profiles and saves, I had about 50 medals in there and completed 3 campaigns destroying approximately 1000 units of armour and 500 air units

[Tex -USMC- 0]

*sniff*

I want my Co/Hokum!

*bursts into tears*

And people, buy this game, even if you dont like flight sims! I need them to stay in business so that they can make more incredible games

[John C Flett 0]

What version of EECH are you running. I got the latest Beta patch and it works fine with my Logitech USB. No crashes except into hillsides.

Beyond that though IL2, EECH, Falcon 4.0, Janes FA18. All great sims. But I understand where Spy is coming from. The kind of ground detail in true sims is still a little lacking. Certainly flying EECH the world feels very sparse after OFP. Hopefully we'll get a good next gen sim before too long.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (John C Flett @ May 04 2002,08:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What version of EECH are you running. I got the latest Beta patch and it works fine with my Logitech USB. No crashes except into hillsides.

Beyond that though IL2, EECH, Falcon 4.0, Janes FA18. All great sims. But  I understand where Spy is coming from. The kind of ground detail in true sims is still a little lacking. Certainly flying EECH the world feels very sparse after OFP. Hopefully we'll get a good next gen sim before too long.<span id='postcolor'>

I run the V1.4.6X ( http://www.razorworks.com/enemyengaged/index.html )

What happens is, I start up in game fine, but as soon as I try to switch missions, or assign helicopters, or sometimes for no reason at all, my whole system freezes, and I have to force-reboot. It pisses me off so bad, because I love the game. I use to have Saitek pin joystick, and it worked fine. Damn

Yes, I agree ground detail in flight sims are a bit lacking. However, the point I was trying to make was that flight sims strive to model what is going on in the air, and so even if OFP has better ground detail, this doesnt make it a better sim than other games. It makes it a little more fun to bail out behind enemy lines, but I would hardly say that this feature makes it the best flight sim out there. After all, Flight sims are Flight sims, not "Getting shot down" sims.

[dayglow 2]

Do you have anti-alaising on? I know that played havok with my system until I turned it off. Maybe that will help. Also you may want to try the 3rd party exe, it seems to be even more advance than the most resent beta. You can get it here: http://members.rogers.com/map-room/

Also a bunch of new campaigns on the screen as well.

COLINMAN

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Thanks bro, I will check that stuff out tomorrow

[Satchel 0]

I wouldn´t consider Flashpoint as a simulator concerning vehicles at all, everything is simplyfied down to drive and shoot, more action or arcade.

Cockpits are simple bitmaps without function, no buttons to push, dials to turn etc, in general there is no detail simulating the handling/managing of vehicle systems. Weapon systems and optics ("arcade radar action display") aren´t realistic either...

OFP´s terrain system is not suited for fast flying aircraft from a technical aspect, as it´s simply to small and viewdistance is not sufficent. The terrain will look horrible at high altitudes, because it wasn´t designed with having in mind to view it from medium to high altitude, apart from the fact that you would overlook the whole island (your whole area of operation) like a shark in a goldfishglass, no real ingress or degress routes, waypoints would be switched in a matter of seconds etc..

If you´d take off in an F-16 you probably would spend most of time flying a sharp 360° pattern to not overshoot the island, you could make yourself ready to fire missiles as soon as you took off.

450 knts (833 km/h) is normal velocity for F-16´s operating in a combat environment, islands in OFP are about 10km x 10km,

means you´d take about 43 seconds from the very upper boundary of the map to the lower one.

While OFP´s terrain looks relatively nice at ground level, it´s too repetative at high altitudes, Flightsims do a much better job here.  

I can post some pics of FS2002, with ground detail similar and at times better than that of OFP, which is incredible, considering that FS2002 spans the whole globe. FS2002 uses 30m USGS DEMs on most parts of the world.

OFP displays what it does best and what we all like; action on huge terrain when viewed from the standpoint of ground units, athmosphere, great variaty in units and many options how a battle can be conducted and looks like.

For good fixed wing mil. A/C flightsims, and to get a taste what a real flightsim is about try IL-2, Falcon4, F/A-18, Combat jet trainer for FS2002/CFS2.

If you´re into flightsims and accurate details, you sure don´t wanna miss Lock On: Modern Air Combat and Falcon 5, two great sims currently in development.

Lock On movie featuring SU-27 here:

http://www.lo-mac.com/movies.php

Gives an insight on the incredible detailed graphics and exceptional feel for speed and altitude.

Falcon 5 will be developed with help of Pete Bonanni (the one who technically advised Falcon4, and wrote the best and most comprehensive game/Simulation manual ever), he´s a RL Falcon Pilot with many years on the F-16,

accompanied by Keith Rosenkranz, too F-16 Pilot, Gulf War veteran and Author of "Vipers in the Storm".  

No screenshots or media yet on Falcon5, but it won´t be long i guess.

[Hellfire12 0]

Falcon4 .

Satchel identify yourself. I.e. F4 alias.

[Satchel 0]

I´ve used Magellan° as pseudonym in F4, CFS2 and IL-2, in forums as well as online. However it has been a long time since i actually flew F4 or any other sim online in MP, the last one was IL-2, currently waiting for LOMAC.

Is there further info on F5 available yet, i.e. gameengine details?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Hey Satch, do you know when LOMAC is comin out? I nearly wet myself the first time I saw it a few months ago, and now I wanna play it

[advocatexxx 0]

Holy shit that Lock On looks awesome. I wonder how tough it'll be on system requirements.

Check this out

If that doesn't impress you, I don't know what will.

[John C Flett 0]

Tex [uSMC], I'm running the same version as you with a Logitech Force Feedback 3d no problems so I'm inclined to agree with DayGlow that the problem lies outside of the patch. Hopefully his idea may help.

All this talk of serious sims is making me eager to get back into something more substantial. Mayby finally master Flanker 2.5.

Shall we agree that OFP is a great Battlefield Sim but a poor sim as far as individual vehicles go? That said the time I've spent with the Helos in OFP hasn't been entirely wasted going back to EECH. I have picked up some really bad habits from OFPs fixed wing aircraft though.

How long before we get a true sim with full battlefield interaction? I think a few years yet but I think OFP has been a very big step in that direction and it has offered some real firsts in presenting an integrated battlefield. I've heard rumors that IL2 may yet have a few things to offer in the future though.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Ill agree with John C. Now, if we can only get OFP's terrain and overall grunt stuff, Longbow and Falcon 4s flight models, and Co/Hokums dynamic campaign and overall detail, and I think we will have the ultiamte combat game. And you could also add the armor accuracy of Steel Beasts to all that... hmm, this sounds great... lol

[advocatexxx 0]

I personally can't wait until Microsoft's Combat Flight Simulator 3 comes out.

I always loved the WWII-era flying aces. Back then it was more about being a skilled pilot and a shooter than it is today. These days it's just a matter of technology, stealthier planes, whoever gets a missile lock first wins. You hardly even see the plane you're fighting against.

But back then you had to getin close and execute proper dogfight manuvers in order to win. That took true skill.

Sure they didn't fly at mach 2, but the excitement of battle was well worth it.

[Spy17 1]

Finaly I can participate in my own topic again....

It was not nice to post a semi ironical topic and then not beeing able to comment the feedback (my Spy account said: "Group: Awaiting Authorisation" after I posted??).

Well like I said in my original post I am a flightsimjunkie myselfe! I agree with you that IL2 and F4 are the best Flightsims around. The F4 community is great and I am really looking forward to see SP3 (well I am a little tired of those huge downloads). IL2 has the best dammage model I have seen yet (only the career mode is lousy).

But the reason for posting this Topic was something else....

Even so OFP is far from beeing a real flightsim it is still fun to fly in OFP. Like I said OFP has flightsimfeatures other sims can not offer (see first post). Sometimes in IL2 I wish I had a getout button... It is just great to be able to interact with all those different units in one sim!

To make it more fun for me there should be more realism. Better graphics and more units are not the most important for me.

Well and like I did not want to complain but show what I like about flying in OFP here the link to my little mission:

http://www.operation-flashpoint.dk/asp/aspsites/missiondetai.asp?ID=73

I hope you like it!

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I sort of figured that was what you meant, but remember, you did call OFP the best flight sim out these days in yer original post. So, I just had to argue anyhow, like I said, flight sims are flight sims, not "Im gonna decide not to fly today, instead Im gonna take a walk" sims lol

[WKK Gimbal 0]

To be considered remotely realistic, average missile ranges should be about 10-15 KM (average I say).

That's longer than any OFP island.

However, OFP is the most FUN flying game, IMHO.

[dayglow 2]

For me Falcon 4 with SP2 is really good, but it has gone too far in the avionics modelling. Don't get me wrong, I love fiddling with switches, but I can't fly it anymore. I guess the thing that really got me was the new maverick uncaging, firing steps. I just can't get a good lock on a target anymore and I'm always rushing to do something in the combat zone.

Man it gives me new apreciation of what those guys do when they fly and fight. Everything has to be automatic. Myself I don't have the time to get that good at a flight-sim so some dumbing down is needed.

Really looking forward to LOMAC though. I'm saving up for a new mb/ram/proc combo in antispation that I will need it. I've got the graphics muscle now in a gf4, but my 1ghz o/c at 1.3 duron with 133 sdram is my bottleneck now.

COLINMAN

[Tex -USMC- 0]

btw, turning off FSAA didnt help, and Ive tried the 1.4.6X and 1.5.whateverD patch, and still no go. God this sucks! I wanna play my damn game

[dayglow 2]

Have you tried the SimHq forums? That's where most of the guys that work on the game hang out. Maybe they could help you figure out your computer.

www.simhq.com

There's a lot of forums there and a lot of developers hang out and post a lot as well.

COLINMAN