ASR AI Skills

mrcash2009 · October 13, 2007

Metalcraze = unwarranted "alarmism" once more :p:)

If its optional then how can it possibly be wrong? Its how its implemented and why, all seems perfectly fine to me based on its justification and implementation option. Why even have it on by mission basis if its not good overall anyway, kick in the off switch and hey presto, all is well again.

Edited June 14, 2012 by mrcash2009

-Coulum- · December 8, 2010

The wounded soldier being kicked out of the group isn't how it should be done.
I think Robalo is starting to make the same mistakes as Protegimus did with Zeus - as in taking control away from the player / mission maker. Even if it's an option in user config - it should be off by default and I'd rather see it as a script command in init.sqf to be set on mission by mission basis.

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As long as its optional I see no reason for concern. It would be nice to be able to set it on/off in a mission for certain groups as well though.

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Good point. Because given the incredible solidarity between soldiers and the enormous sacrifices they make, it seems rather unjust and jolly unrealistic to just leave them there, bleeding to death.

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Casevac would be awesome but since when is leaving ai soldiers behind all the sudden such a shock. Dead ai/players are left behind all the time without evacuation which is totally unrealistic and â€œunjustâ€ and nobody says booâ€¦.

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I wonderâ€¦ what is the behavior of that disbanded soldier going to be? Will he continue to move to his groupâ€™s original waypoint, try and hide, or just sit there and hold his ground?

Robalo · September 8, 2006

Is this for arm wounds only, or a general damage figure (I'm happy either way, just curious)?
Also, is anything regarding the new eye LOS introduced by BIS and worked on by SaOk likely to be in the next update?

It's a simple overall damage check.

For the second question, no, but I'll think about possible uses for the new commands in the future.

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I wonderâ€¦ what is the behavior of that disbanded soldier going to be? Will he continue to move to his groupâ€™s original waypoint, try and hide, or just sit there and hold his ground?

It will decide on it's own, will most likely flee due to low morale.

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Same question here. Also, does the modified recoils require the beta with the new setunirecoil command or is it done in a defferent way?

The feature only works with betas that have the new commands, yes.

anthropoid · June 1, 2012

Simple question about the effect of this mod in singleplayer missions:

I would guess that the enhancements to AI behavior from this mod (and the full suite of your mods in CoWarMod) would apply to both friendly teammates and enemy AI. However, do these enhancements somehow give an advantage to enemy AI?

I'm finding that I'm getting my ass capped a lot and my AI teammates don't seem to be quite as effective as they were before and no changes to difficulty settings. Granted this is just with a few startups with this mod running.

Edited June 14, 2012 by Anthropoid

-Coulum- · December 8, 2010

It will decide on it's own, will most likely flee due to low morale.

Okay I see. Neat.

The feature only works with betas that have the new commands, yes.

Okay awesome. Thanks alot.

Simple question about the effect of this mod in singleplayer missions.
I would guess that the enhancements to AI behavior from this mod (and the full suite of your mods in CoWarMod) would apply to both friendly and enemy teammates. However, do these enhancements somehow give an advantage to enemy AI?

I'm finding that I'm getting my ass capped a lot and my guys don't seem to be quite as effective, though this is just with a few startups with this mod running.

It would depend on what type of soldiers you have and the enemy has. The mod makes it so soldiers have appropriate skills. Ie. a spetsnaz will be better than a marine, a marine better than a taki militia, and a taki better than a civilian.

It doesn't make one side automatically better than the other however.

Edited June 14, 2012 by -Coulum-

Grey-Legolas · March 23, 2010

First of all i`d like to say great thanks to Robalo for creating this wonderful mod.

But while using it i`ve got a problem with ai aiming effectiveness, especially in CQB, which is very good represented in this video:

I dont know why, but when playing with ASR, ai aiming speed become even slower in comparison to the vanila Arma, and as it is shown in the video enemy ai sometimes even try to run away from me rather than to start shooting.

I tried to put all aiming speed variables in cfg to 1.00, but still the result was poorer than in native version.

So i wanted to ask - is there a way to play your mod and use all its advantages but somehoe prevent getting stupid ai behevior in short distances?

Robalo · September 8, 2006

First of all i`d like to say great thanks to Robalo for creating this wonderful mod.
But while using it i`ve got a problem with ai aiming effectiveness, especially in CQB, which is very good represented in this video:

I dont know why, but when playing with ASR, ai aiming speed become even slower in comparison to the vanila Arma, and as it is shown in the video enemy ai sometimes even try to run away from me rather than to start shooting.

I tried to put all aiming speed variables in cfg to 1.00, but still the result was poorer than in native version.

So i wanted to ask - is there a way to play your mod and use all its advantages but somehoe prevent getting stupid ai behevior in short distances?

Thanks for reminding me. The problem addon is asr_ai_c_aiskill.pbo. Try testing without it to confirm. It will be fixed with next update (sometime this week-end).

Tonci87 · July 7, 2009

Not going to happen to player led group? Getting rid of the wounded AI is what I wanted so the rest of my team mates don't slow down for him. (Sounded cruel I know) :D

You could just give him the STOP command or give him a waypoint.

Tonci87 · July 7, 2009

@Robalo, BIS Devs need your help

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?135812-ARMA-2-OA-beta-build-93701-(1-60-MP-compatible-build-post-1-60-release)&p=2172371&viewfull=1#post2172371

Could you send the mission that was featured in the comparison video to dwarden?

Grey-Legolas · March 23, 2010

Thanks for reminding me. The problem addon is asr_ai_c_aiskill.pbo. Try testing without it to confirm. It will be fixed with next update (sometime this week-end).

Yes, without that file the problem really nearly dissapeared:D A bit of "scanning-aiming" still exists (in much smaller scale), but i guess its because of Arma`s engine in general and not caused by your mod:)

Robalo · September 8, 2006

New version up.

1.15 | 17 JUN 2012

AI uses a lower stance in combat - crouch more, shoot from prone with MG, AR, sniper rifles or other weapons with bipods (ACE) (userconfig: stayLow = 1).

Steadier AI machinegunners - less recoil based on firing position (userconfig: recoilMod = 1).

Recoil is increased for wounded AI units (userconfig: recoilMod = 1).

Added option to debug the gunshot hearing aid feature on screen (userconfig: gunshothearing_debug = 0).

Merged asr_ai_c_aigrenadierfix pbo with asr_ai_c_airof

Units unable to walk/run (wounded legs) are removed from their group unless they are healed in some time (userconfig: split_legged = 300).

They will also be excluded from group consolidation.

Optimised smoke throwing.

Lower stance for higher building positions, also snipers stay in them more.

Excluded a few buildings from the AI house patrol feature.

Added option for how many morphine and epi units will try to maintain (ACE mod, wounding module; userconfig: ACEmeds[] = {4,1}; meaning: {amountIfMedic,amountIfNotMedic}).

Fixed the slow AI aiming in the asr_ai_c_aiskill config addon.

Foot soldiers are 20% less detectable (all units can hide better).

Small adjustments of the default userconfig settings.

Enjoy !

kremator · June 8, 2007

Excellent thanks Robalo ! Testing this out now :)

sickboy · May 11, 2005

Nice one Robalo!

Updated on Six Updater Network

-Coulum- · December 8, 2010

YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you so much Robalo! Really appreciate your hard work.

2025-02-27T13:39:09Z

New version frontpaged on the Armaholic homepage.

ASR AI Skills v1.15

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orcinus · July 8, 2011

Ooooh! That's a wonderful list of new features & improvements :D

Really, really appreciate your creativity & skills.

:respekt:

fraczek · February 5, 2012

Yes! I would like to test today, but better not with work incoming in 6 hours I better get some sleep...keep up the good work!

aced170 · June 23, 2009

Seems this update broke ACE. I'm running ASR, ASR AI, ACE, ACEX(RU +USNavy), and CBA(A2 +OA) on beta patch 93825, launched with Six Updater. Repo by placing any unit in the editor and try to use any ACE feature.

-Coulum- · December 8, 2010

Foot soldiers are 20% less detectable (all units can hide better).

Does this mean closer range firefights? Do units actually hide better or is it just harder for the ai to spot other footsoldiers? Bah what am I asking for, I can just go test it out myself.

Robalo · September 8, 2006

Seems this update broke ACE. I'm running ASR, ASR AI, ACE, ACEX(RU +USNavy), and CBA(A2 +OA) on beta patch 93825, launched with Six Updater. Repo by placing any unit in the editor and try to use any ACE feature.

Tried the above exactly and could not reproduce. Please open a ticket with your .RPT and your <Arma dir>\userconfig\ASR_AI\asr_ai_settings.hpp files attached.

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Does this mean closer range firefights? Do units actually hide better or is it just harder for the ai to spot other footsoldiers? Bah what am I asking for, I can just go test it out myself.

My "20% less detectable" statement might be inaccurate. I just multiplied all camouflage values from previous version by 0.8.

Edited June 18, 2012 by Robalo

domokun · September 21, 2006

Gave this version a quick test last night and it the results are devastating; AI reactions are even more realistic and deadly!

The only problem is that the AI is now much more dangerous.

Any tips on how to reduce their lethality? e.g. lower their accuracy

Robalo · September 8, 2006

Gave this version a quick test last night and it the results are devastating; AI reactions are even more realistic and deadly!
The only problem is that the AI is now much more dangerous.

Any tips on how to reduce their lethality? e.g. lower their accuracy

You have the power of the userconfig at your hands.

Also, take 'em more seriously :) But joking aside, I'm sure other people will come and say they're still not accurate enough.

Edited June 18, 2012 by Robalo

orcinus · July 8, 2011

Hi domokun -you might try using Jedra's skills slider. You can tweak the accuracy, shake, etc., independently of ASR_AI. Caveat is that, by design, JED_ESS will not affect ASR_AI settings on units spawned after you've set the parameters for units that were editor-placed or spawned before you operate the slider set. OFC you can always reactivate the slider at intervals.

Note I haven't had time to test Robalo's latest version at all, let alone for any compatibility issues.

Muecke · August 26, 2006

@Robalo

Hi, we use your mod on our server a few weeks now. Its really great to see how ai act now.

Very nice work.

One thing, we have millions of entries in our server rpt since we use ASR. Maybe its debug info maybe not.

But it produces some freezes an maybe lags or desync.

Here what comes only in one minute.

2012/06/17, 21:46:00 Cannot use magazine PG7VR in muzzle AK_107_kobra

2012/06/17, 21:46:00 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:00 Cannot use magazine 7Rnd_45ACP_1911 in muzzle M4A1

2012/06/17, 21:46:00 Cannot use magazine SmokeShell in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:00 Cannot use magazine M136 in muzzle M4A1_Aim

2012/06/17, 21:46:00 Cannot use magazine 7Rnd_45ACP_1911 in muzzle M4A1

2012/06/17, 21:46:00 Cannot use magazine SmokeShell in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:00 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:00 Cannot use magazine PG7VR in muzzle AK_107_kobra

2012/06/17, 21:46:01 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:01 Client: Object 6:246 (type Type_70) not found.

2012/06/17, 21:46:02 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:02 Cannot use magazine SmokeShellOrange in muzzle HandGrenadeMuzzle

2012/06/17, 21:46:02 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:02 Cannot use magazine M136 in muzzle M4A1_Aim

2012/06/17, 21:46:02 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Cannot use magazine M136 in muzzle M4A1_Aim

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Cannot use magazine MAAWS_HEAT in muzzle M4A3_CCO_EP1

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Client: Object 6:246 (type Type_69) not found.

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Cannot use magazine PG7V in muzzle AK_107_kobra

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Client: Object 6:246 (type Type_70) not found.

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Cannot use magazine 7Rnd_45ACP_1911 in muzzle M4A1

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Cannot use magazine SmokeShell in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:03 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:04 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:04 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_West in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:04 Cannot use magazine SmokeShell in muzzle HandGrenadeMuzzle

2012/06/17, 21:46:04 Cannot use magazine MAAWS_HEAT in muzzle M4A1_AIM_SD_camo

2012/06/17, 21:46:04 Cannot use magazine M136 in muzzle M4A1_Aim

2012/06/17, 21:46:04 Cannot use magazine HandGrenade_East in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:04 Cannot use magazine 7Rnd_45ACP_1911 in muzzle M4A1

2012/06/17, 21:46:04 Cannot use magazine SmokeShell in muzzle HandGrenade_Stone

2012/06/17, 21:46:04 Cannot use magazine PG7VR in muzzle AK_107_kobra