Beating of a criminal

[DenisRUS 10]

Big Mac i was asking questions cause it it was interesting for me sorry if it was so big pain in the ass for you to answer them like normal ppl do when there asked about there countries. lol

BTW there is no any propaganda in USA. Not at all.And it is just lovely that you tell me what i should do or not. Just lovely. Maybe you remember what american mass media was screaming when 08.08.08. war happen?

[Big Mac 19]

Big Mac i was asking questions cause it it was interesting for me sorry if it was so big pain in the ass for you to answer them like normal ppl do when there asked about there countries. lol

BTW there is no any propaganda in USA. Not at all.And it is just lovely that you tell me what i should do or not. Just lovely. Maybe you remember what american mass media was screaming when 08.08.08. war happen?

They were screaming about the Olympics. It wasn't until later that day they talked about your little war.. I never said the US doesn't have a propaganda machine, I just said as a russian you shouldn't lecture someone about spewing out propaganda.

[DenisRUS 10]

little war you say.. It was genocide of the osetian ppl -thousands of civilians were killed in there own homes. Genocide which was sponsored by glorious USA btw

Ok-back to theme.

http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=74796

Ppl say that criminal died in hospital after all this

[Big Mac 19]

little war you say.. It was genocide of the osetian ppl -thousands of civilians were killed in there own homes. Genocide which was sponsored by glorious USA btw

Oh please. You've been listening to too much of your own press.

[sic-disaster 311]

It's funny you would say that, because that actually works both ways.

Your press could have been fooling you too.

[vilas 473]

yes, "Serbs killed Albanians" later fixed to "Serbs killed byAlbanians" in 90s ???

this is example that not only "one side press is lie"

but also second side also have such press, not only in big-concerns interests, but also about life of people on the other side (to avoid anti-gov voices)

i know one Polish journalist who in interview told about mis-mounted material, which was showing fault of Russian soldiers, while it was Georgian soldiers fault in one accident

so west also misinform their citizens

and if you sit in USA and think you know all truth, you're completely wrong

cause it is your press and books who say about Polish death camps, while SS were Germans and Poland was under occupation of Germany

not only Russian press can be accused of lies, but also US, Izreali etc.

when big-rich owner could have problem due to facts, his newspapers lie (cause he own them)

remember nicotine lies ??

i can tell you something from my own education : i am transporation (railway + logistics + trucks) engineer by education

problem is about safety of civilian cars drivers, passengers in road accidents with semitrailers

many people died beheaded by semitrailers in US, cause car get under semitrailer on curve road

those people would survive if there was bumper on side :

http://www.ptts.com.pl/files/u2/IMG_0194.jpg

it was told on safety conference

i remember voice from USA, where US officials were saying :

"noowhere in the world there are no bumpers under semitrailers"

http://www.infovisual.info/05/img_en/020%20Semitrailer.jpg

cause US semitrailers have no bumbers on side

and later those US voice was shown in US TV "nowwhere in the world..."

well

in whole EU you cannot register semitrailers if it has no bumbers on sides

but US spokesman in US TV in program about road safety said "noowhere in the world"

and "cause it would be too expensive..."

if anyone of your relatives, friends ever died under semitrailer

you can thank this guy and your press/TV which said "nowwhere in the world"

cause for them "world" is US + Mexico

of course this small note about TV broadcast from USA about road safety is connected with issue "whose press lies"

if your press / TV journalist say "those people died, poor, shame... but we cannot avoid it"

sory for example far away from "police beating criminal" but it is about "if you think you are well informed, you are wrong"

and i live in US-said "nowhere in the world" and bumpers on our semitrailers are present, although US journalist , US policeman said "nowhere in the world" :)

i know... boring example, but compare yourself US semitrailer, compare EU semitrailer, take beheaded man and say "nowhere in the world"

there are many more examples like this, this one was from my studies and from international conference about road-safety and about later US TV broadcasts doubled later in Discovery Channel (the same was in Discovery Channel when there was broadcast about "investigating road accidents" )

thats why in world we see one nation is so proud and thinks it knows all and knows the best ...

and because your companies directors would have to spend some money on safety of semitrailers (instead of buying new house near beach or new jewelery ) you can die beheaded under semitrailer and your road-police-dept. say "nowwhere in the world" in your TV

http://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0511-0810-1419-0750_Rich_Man_Surrounded_by_Piles_of_Money_clipart_image.jpg

and family of dead person will say "ooo, poor, he died, he was so young, booo"

instead of be angry and force to mount bumpers on side of semitrailers.. cause it "costs too much"

the same lies you had in 80s about our live behind "steel curtain" , cause you were informed only about bad things, not about good things , we are lied by our press that "west is so liberal and everyone is rich"

while they have better social-care than in PL, work less hours and not all own Mercedes...

many journalists lie, because they have boss/owner, and this boss has money-interest in lying to the people, for example people who would hear that "they not waste taxes" would go protest "we also wanna have the same for the same taxes" , so press lies "you don't get anything for taxes in the west, work harder and shut up" and people who come back from emigration say about "medicals for retired with low price, good health care in Germany , UK, France..." etc.

and people are confused cause "press wrote that we are too socialistic and we must work more, while they have bigger social than we have and work less hours weekly "

believe me, you are lied too, i am lied too , not only Russians by Russian press (keeping away from stores book "Blow Up Moscow" as example as forbidden book )

in Polish there is proverb "w mętnej wodzie ryby lepiej biorą"

in dirty water fishing is better

Edited August 27, 2010 by vilas

[dr_chris 10]

Especially if you are trying to land a giant turd or a used condom.

[76 0]

I never said the US doesn't have a propaganda machine, I just said as a russian you shouldn't lecture someone about spewing out propaganda.

Americas propaganda machine would rivial Chinas... so seriously stfu.

Why is it so hard for Americans to accept that their country is an Imperial State/Empire... Europeans (Spain, France, Russia, Germany, England etc) back in the day had no such identity issues... at least they where honest about what they/their country is/was

Genocide which was sponsored by glorious USA btw

What conflict haven't the US been involved in?

The US of A... the worlds #1 Terrorist State, not having ago at the people, just the criminal element that seems to control your government/s

[Big Mac 19]

Americas propaganda machine would rivial Chinas... so seriously stfu.

Why is it so hard for Americans to accept that their country is an Imperial State/Empire... Europeans (Spain, France, Russia, Germany, England etc) back in the day had no such identity issues... at least they where honest about what they/their country is/was

Because we don't an identity issue. America maybe an empire but not in the sense that they were. As for our propaganda if you're talking about Fox News you should be aware that not every American watches it and further more many Americans have begun getting their news from outside networks such as the BBC, because CNN,MSNBC and Fox are so polarized.

Reporters Without Borders has condemned Russia time and again for it's lack of freedom of the press, while placing the US pretty high when it comes to freedom of the press and China is even worse off than Russia.

So your statement about America's propaganda rivaling China is BS. BTW the FBI doesn't kill reporters for speaking out against the government but apparently the FSB does or so it seems. Anyone remember Anna Politkovskaya? So seriously...stfu.

The US of A... the worlds #1 Terrorist State, not having ago at the people, just the criminal element that seems to control your government/s

You lost a lot of creditability with that statement, but I'll respond to it anyway.

The US is not without it's share of blood on it's hands, but to say we're a terrorist state is just idiotic. A lot of people hate Bush, I personally didn't care for him nor did I vote for him, but there is no criminal element controlling our government. Iraq was a war that should have never been wage and I'll be the first to admit to it, Afghanistan however was a war that I as an American have no regrets about.

Also Australia if I remember correctly had a hand in both wars the US has waged since 9/11 so don't lay the blame just on our doorstep. We maybe the main participant, but you as well as every other country who fought with us shares some of the responsibility for it as well.

Edited August 29, 2010 by Big Mac

[mosh 0]

The US of A... the worlds #1 Terrorist State, not having ago at the people, just the criminal element that seems to control your government/s

You're not even worth responding to if you're clueless enough to make stupid comments like that. :rolleyes:

[vilas 473]

study some history

not only about herbicide effect on Vietnam People, but also CIA and such like killings of democratically winning elections socialist politics in countries of Africa, South America during cold war

you should study some history of middle east wars

study some more about supporting drug gangs in latin america in cold war

etc.

study some more about 60s 70s and 80s if you think that you are "freedom defender"

even now you have PMCs (should be called pay murderers, cause they are not soldiers, they not fight for country defense, PMC are simply hire murderers and only US have them :/ which makes sick every honest and sensible man in the globe as most disgusting thing in war, cause soldier fight for country, pmc is money-mercenary sadist who see no problem in killing for money, he should be in prison for life, instead you send them to other countries) , who kill innocent people FOR GREED to MONEY ,not to defend own country from patriotic reasons

in past you were sending CIA operators to other countries to support there genocides when non-capitalists win election for example

learn more than criticize man from Australia who said something, which many people in world think

how many other states were bombing many other states ??? how much countries USSR bombed after WW2 and how much bombers and bombs were thrown against other states since 1945 by US and in how many countries ???

in how many countries KGB shot democratically voted politicians and in how many states CIA done this ???

you should study some more about black-ops of US before you bash this guy from Australia , not even saying about "wars for oil" called "freedom"

what freedom had poor people in countries where CIA supported rich dictators in cold war (cause poor society wanted socialistic government )

study more, take a look at children ill from herbicides in Vietnam

US made good job during WW2, that time they really brought freedom , ... later not always ...

Edited August 30, 2010 by vilas

[Big Mac 19]

study some history

not only about herbicide effect on Vietnam People, but also CIA and such like killings of democratically winning elections socialist politics in countries of Africa, South America during cold war

you should study some history of middle east wars

study some more about supporting drug gangs in latin america in cold war

etc.

Really? I should study some history? If you even bother to read what I posted you'd noticed that I said "The US is not without it's share of bloodshed." Maybe you should learn how to read.

study some more about 60s 70s and 80s if you think that you are "freedom defender"

Did I say anything about being a "Freedom Defender" no I did not. I'm not so blind that I see my country as a country who the savior of the world and does no wrong.

even now you have PMCs (should be called pay murderers, cause they are not soldiers, they not fight for country defense, PMC are simply hire murderers and only US have them :/ which makes sick every honest and sensible man in the globe as most disgusting thing in war, cause soldier fight for country, pmc is money-mercenary sadist who see no problem in killing for money, he should be in prison for life, instead you send them to other countries) , who kill innocent people FOR GREED to MONEY ,not to defend own country from patriotic reasons

Vilas PMCs come a wide range of countries and only two PMCs that I know of have any blood on their hands and that Dynacorp and Blackwater. Do you think that all Americans love them for what they do? are you that stupid to believe that all Americans look at PMCs the same way we look at our soldiers?

learn more than criticize man from Australia who said something, which many people in world think

Maybe you and him should learn and read more before you jump on me when both Poland and Australia hand a hand in both wars.

how many other states were bombing many other states ??? how much countries USSR bombed after WW2 and how much bombers and bombs were thrown against other states since 1945 by US and in how many countries ???

in how many countries KGB shot democratically voted politicians and in how many states CIA done this ???

you should study some more about black-ops of US before you bash this guy from Australia , not even saying about "wars for oil" called "freedom"

Hungary, East Germany, Korea, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, various countries in Africa. Vilas you need to study your history more so than I do. Almost all of those conflicts I just listed Poland has had their bloody hand in. The KGB tortured and imprisoned freely elected leaders from Hungary and Czechoslovakia. The USSR was no better than the US.

what freedom had poor people in countries where CIA supported rich dictators in cold war (cause poor society wanted socialistic government )

What about all the dictators the USSR supported during the cold war? Kim il Sung,Gamal Abdel Nasser,Idi Amin,Nicolae CeauÅŸescu, and many others. All well known dictators who were just as bad as the ones the US supported.

study more, take a look at children ill from herbicides in Vietnam

Take a look at the effects of Mi-24 Hind attack chopper has on women and children who's only crime was being Afghan.. Your country had a hand in that slaughter too.

[vilas 473]

yes, our goverment did something which should not, over 70% of society is against our presence there in A and I wars

politicians BEFORE election say "we will move troops home" and AFTER they win "we must send more troops and give more money for war , so less money to hospital, police, cause we must support USA"

[Big Mac 19]

yes, our goverment did something which should not, over 70% of society is against our presence there in A and I wars

politicians BEFORE election say "we will move troops home" and AFTER they win "we must send more troops and give more money for war , so less money to hospital, police, cause we must support USA"

And that's my fault just because I'm an American?